Who really is the KING of modifying?

[NWCS]

i could get decent gains out of an MS390, but the total gains wont be like the pro saws. the clamshell type crankcase is the big limiter on that. i would about bet the flywheel has the keyway cast in also.

 

[Simonizer]

But you are not a pompous, mythical know it all, so why should we trust you?

Yeah, what he said.

 

[sawinredneck]

the clamshell type crankcase is the big limiter on that. i would about bet the flywheel has the keyway cast in also.

Just a few more reasons I should have bit the bullet and bought a 440, thanks, making me feel so much better for standing behind my 390 all this time
Andy

 

[Tree Sling'r]

back on the proper subject. my turnaround is about 1 week from the time i get the saw to the time its ready to ship. videos and pics are posted in my forum and more info on my website. also backed by a 30 day warranty..

Ben, from what I can gather there is not a huge difference between what you do and what Dean does. Maybe I am wrong, but I see hardly any difference in the way you describe your work (which I am very sure is good) than the same 25 or so conversations I have had with Dean. But, one thing Dean told me is that if something he did goes wrong he will fix it - whenever -however. He gave me a time line and I know he will stick by it.
My point is, 30 days warranty for your work will get you very little business. That tells me that you are not confident. If you are as good as you say you are you will have a much bigger time line. Of course operator neglect is another issue.
If you don't work on old junk and have confidence in what you do than you should have no problem having a better warranty, therfore selling more saws. You take care of your customers, they will take care of you.
Just my thoughts.

 

[NWCS]

Tree, why does my giving a 30 day warranty differ from deans 30 day warranty? i beleive thats the time length he gives. if something was going to go wrong on a modded saw, its probly going to show up pretty quick! i worked for Dean so my work is similar indeed, but not the same. he has seen my work in action and done a few quick races against one saw i built.

 

[Tree Sling'r]

Tree, why does my giving a 30 day warranty differ from deans 30 day warranty? i beleive thats the time length he gives. if something was going to go wrong on a modded saw, its probly going to show up pretty quick! i worked for Dean so my work is similar indeed, but not the same. he has seen my work in action and done a few quick races against one saw i built.

Maybe I am special - because I have never heard 30 days. But, that is not my point. It is just my OPINION that as a buyer and spending at least $300 plus each time I have Dean do something I expect it to last, and 30 days is not lasting. He made it clear to me that there would never be any worries. After $2500 of business in 3 months his word has been good.
Not stiring anything up, and like I said I am sure your work is good, but when a consumer is forking out some serious dough - a longer warranty on YOUR WORK is a major selling point, thats all.

 

[NWCS]

Tree: at Dean's i did all the teardowns and assembly, everything BUT the porting work. i most likely did this to your saws. im quite confident in my work. the 266 in the video posted in my forum was rebuilt out of my used parts pile. check it out, it has been stress tested well cutting alder and ready to go. heck if you wanted to demo it i would send it out to you for some real stress testing.

 

[HELSEL]

We have a Gypo 385 that we are running. The saw is very strong
and much faster than the stock 385.Gypo told us when he left the saw with
us that he got all the numbers from Ken Dunn. So Gypo built this saw with numbers Ken gave him over the phone. Yes I have talked with Simon on the phone two times.We are looking forward to getting one of his saws too.
Who is the king?Who ever makes you happy its like Chevy and Ford who knows who is best.

Rick

 

[stihlatit]

Simon is the king of :censored: :censored: saw modds..

Ultra have you stopped drinking in moderation.

:jawdrop:

 

[SawTroll]

:spam:

This tread has already been messed up pretty bad by :spam:, and nobody need another "Simonizer" tread.....:censored:

 

[CaseyForrest]

Wow, wasnt expecting a rant thread!

I really wanted to hear from those of you that have modded saws, be it by anyone who does them, and get some feedback.

Lake, I put the dual port cover on when I bought it, and had the shop tack it to make sure I was a little rich. After 10 tanks of fuel I had them set it at 13,000 and center the caps for me. I am not dissatisfied with the power of the saw, but now that I have my 066 for the mill, I can let this one go for awhile to open it up. LIke I said in the original post though, I would rather have the saw last a long time, than get more power out of it.

 

[tony marks]

dang i sure missed a lot being gone for a yr or so. when i was active here before EH. was suppose to be, way ahead of the rest. what happened.
what a difference a day makes.

 

[SawTroll]

Tony, I guess he pretty much was (and still is) regarding at least some saw models, but he isn't popular to mention on this forum any more.
The traces of what actually happened are of course removed. :angry2:
He now has his own web-site and forums ....

You may also have noticed that Jokers also is gone - he has teamed up with Ed.

 

[Butch(OH)]

I think I'll just shut this thing off and go cut some wood :greenchainsaw:

 

[Lakeside53]

i could get decent gains out of an MS390, but the total gains wont be like the pro saws. the clamshell type crankcase is the big limiter on that. i would about bet the flywheel has the keyway cast in also.

It does have a cast key, but so does the MS361...

 

[Bad E]

I think I'll just shut this thing off and go cut some wood :greenchainsaw:

I'm with you...and damn glad I don't mod saws for this group.

 

[Gypo Logger]

Argueing about who makes the best worksaw is like argueing about who can tie their shoelaces the best..
There's no mystery to saw mods nor do you have to be an engineer.
I mean look at EHP, he has a grade 3 education, I have grade 9, woods junkie has grade 10 and Dozer Dan has grade 5.
So obviously it doesn't take a mental giant like Simon to build a woodsaw.
Heck, even Rich Hoffman who is dumber than a sack of hammers can weld a washer on a muffler, but only after he received Ed's permission to do so.
Hahaha
Anyway, here's a 22" Red Elm I am bucking with a KD 385.
John

 

[klickitatsacket]

First guys I want to say that Ben can build a saw. Ben worked for me down here for about 8 months. Most of what any one is going to do on a mod saw is going to be close to the same. There is only so much you are going to do. The differences are: Turn around time, port #'s, angles, fit and finish and the reputation of the guy standing behind his work.

Now as for us here at Washington Hot Saws: Turn around time is approximately 6 weeks. I do not claim to build the best saw out there just a good saw. If I was to claim the best then I would have to run every saw by every maker and have proof that mine are better. I can guarantee that they are good saws and they will last you as long or longer than a stock saw in your hands. I know guys who only get 6 months out of a stock saw and I know some who get 15 months. It all depends on the guy operating the saw and the maintenance he gives his saw. If you buy a saw from us and it goes down: first call me and let's see if it is something simple and can be fixed over the phone. next if it can not send it back to me to have it looked at. This becomes first in line at the shop the day it arrives. If it is our fault or faulty parts then we take care of it including shipping both ways. If it is operator error then we will work with you to get you back in your saw ASAP. Now I am not saying that everything has always gone smoothly, especially in the shipping department. For the most part most of those issues have been dealt with here in the shop. Things are constantly growing around here and with growth there is always growing pains. I believe this shop though has matured to the point that those growing pains have less and less effect on operations. Some of the things that will be happening this year include: Our own in house Flow Bench. Both smoke and pressure set ups. This will help us pin point constrictions and flow turbulence's. An in house Fluid Brake Dyno. This will give us an edge when it comes to setting ignition timing and will help us see new designs in a more controlled way. I have worked with these before but because I had to rent time it has always been very limited because of the cost. Powder coating and anodizing services will also be introduced later this summer as well. This year looks like it is going to be a great year and a whole lot of fun. In the end is that not what this is all about. Because if you do not enjoy what you do why do it.

This also seems like a great time and place to give some credit to some of the people who have really helped me. First thanks to Dennis Cahoon who has given me pointers and advice many a time. Ken Dunn who also did the same. Also I want to give credit to Greg Brewer for teaching me some of what Spansky and Morgan taught him. As John Lambert has said, "Any one can build a decent woods port saw." Any one can figure it out on their own if you have enough time and money, but with a little help from the big dogs it makes the process go a little quicker.

 

[havvey]

mods

i don't know much about modding but most of the guys won't tell you a dam thing. you might want to look at the austrailian chainsaw racing (oz flea) they are turning old mccullochs and have beat new stihls. One was a 100 plus cc at 18000. if you need more power get a bigger saw as these arn't for everyday use. good luck

 

[NWCS]

havvey: but the goal of a woods saw is to be an every day use saw. something the owner/operator can feed his family with and keep the bills paid. with that in mind that sucker HAS to hold up as long as the operator takes good care of it. have to keep food in your belly and a roof over your head somehow.