Will a modded muffler void the warranty?

[manual]

Doesnt the Magnusson-Moss act place the burden of proof on the OEM that the part altered actually caused damage? IE the saw is covered as long as they can not prove the mod you made caused damage.

I would say only if you have the time to have your saw tied up that long.

 

[bwalker]

I would say only if you have the time to have your saw tied up that long.

I suspect that a dealer or OEM would cave in pretty quick once you mentioned the law. FWIW according to the law the burden(and cost) of proving the mod caused problems is on the oem.

 

[sawinredneck]

Ahh Andy I'm just a poor boy. I have ran the 357xp a friend of mine has one.
We did a tree job or two together. If there was a 357 for trade I would have done it. Just so happen this saw fell in my path at the right time.

BTW whats up with the green dots and how did you get three green dots.
I herd twos a snitch, whats three?

The saws don't matter that much to me, I just wanted an untainted honest opinion, like I say, I preffer the Husky 50cc saws over the Stihls. I was just crious how it stacked up to a simialer sized Husky, from a husky jred guy, thats all.
Three dots mean I am an arse kissing snitch LOL!!! Or, i am loved by many, you're choice!
Andy

 

[spike60]

I suspect that a dealer or OEM would cave in pretty quick once you mentioned the law. FWIW according to the law the burden(and cost) of proving the mod caused problems is on the oem.

Ben;

The law you are referring to concerns the use of aftermarket replacement parts vs OEM parts. It certainly does not cover performance enhancing modifications and/or alterations.

Also, as my earlier post on this thread indicates, I'm a very reasonable guy on this issue, but I never "cave in".

 

[bwalker]

Define aftermarket? Wouldnt a Walkers muffler be a aftermartket muffler? Sure it would.

 

[McCartman]

I Object!!

Yea, Cut a cord of wood
It don't smoke at all. revs up fast, pops a little going down. has a rougher idle then I am use to.
You get a cord of wood per tank. wood chips fly more freely seems they don't all go out the back, seems some follow the chain around and fly out the frount of the cover.
gas and oil caps are going to take awhile to get use to. would have been better if all tabs were the same. just a learning curve. Anti vibe system makes me think of a accordine. but holds its own in a cut.

Also make me think of thall so I named it (little winky)

Now we have Manual "selling" saws on here just like Lake & Thall!! When will this end? This is beginning to look like a vast Stihl conspiracy. :jawdrop:

 

[Lakeside53]

Now we have Manual "selling" saws on here just like Lake & Thall!! When will this end? This is beginning to look like a vast Stihl conspiracy. :jawdrop:

Manual's our secret weapon! Even he doesn't know that!

 

[Lakeside53]

I don't know about the legal question being discussed, but if the aftermarket part is performance enhancing, i.e., more power, the oem can say quite clearly that the saw wasn't designed for that added power. If they dig their heals in, is it really worth getting a lawyer involved?


In most cases, Stihl (example I know about) doesn't get involved. The dealer make the determination as to whether it is "abuse" or defect, and just handles the paperwork accordingly. Most are pretty generous, and Stihl rarely questions the determination. If however, a piston/cylinder is cooked, they do. Was it bad gas, bad tuning (and who did it?) etc.. Rarely do Pistons/cylinders go bad.. and they know that. On the other hand, if a coil blows, they almost never question it.

Another example MIGHT be crankshaft breakage. In the early 066 productions, many crankshafts broke because the flywheel was too heavy. This was fixed in later saws by beefing up the crank and replacing the flywheel with the polymer version. Stihl handed out a lot of new cranks. So, back to my point - if you mod the saw and increase the power, and the crank-end breaks on the clutch or flywheel side, why would Stihl have to prove it??

Even with bad gas (i.e. straight gas), Stihl has a regional funds to hand out a certain number of new parts to cover idiot mistakes (unwritten policy...). About twice a year we get a new OPE that has had straight gas put though it on nthe second tank fill (the first is in the store!). If it's a reasonable mistake, Stihl covers the parts and the customer pays the labor... Not always, but...

My attitude - if you mess with your saw and it blows up, you have take some responsibility for your own actions. If you have a good relationship with your dealer, tell the truth and he'll probably help you anyhow. Hey, for all you know he just got his co-op advertising funds rejected by Stihl that day and is pissed at them! Want me not to help - bring your filthy abused 3 month old saw in and lie to me what you did.

 

[manual]

Now we have Manual "selling" saws on here just like Lake & Thall!! When will this end? This is beginning to look like a vast Stihl conspiracy. :jawdrop:

NO, It is not what your thinking. I am just not trying to be Bias.

 

[Diesel JD]

Glad to see the dealers here are thinking that way about the mods. Seems to go along with a reasonable pay to play attitude without the legal paper pushing. Again I think a good relationship with the dealer is pretty important. Thanks Spike and Andy,
J.D.

 

[manual]

Funny thing was when I traded my 029 in the dealer said that he was going to have to change out the modded muffler because people don't like to buy loud saws. I thought to myself no no all that work and your are going to throw it out. Well it's his saw now.

 

[Haywire Haywood]

you need my muffler mod

Did you ever find a source for the right size pipe so you don't have to lathe it down?

Ian

 

[Lakeside53]

Did you ever find a source for the right size pipe so you don't have to lathe it down?

Ian

Na... Lathe was easier... (I ran out of time to find the pipe...). It's available though - might even be able to use 1/inch copper pipe joiners.