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[Gypo Logger]

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John

 

[MasterBlaster]

Originally posted by cleaning wench
They say Love conquers all, I wonder.?

In my case, my father's alcoholism killed my Mother.
The whole time, she labored under the same delusion.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Robyn,

Have you considered Al-Anon? There are groups for people who's lives are effected by alcoholics.

Tom

 

[Crofter]

Robyn;
Does he have any redeeming qualities to make him worth saving? Uh huh! Just as I thought. Cut your losses and run.
Frank

P.S. You might have to cut your own wood so take his chain saws with you!

 

[Jacob J.]

Love conquers all especially common sense. My ex was an addict, though in this case it was gambling, not booze, and it cost me 5 years and many thousands of $$ before I hit the road.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Re: Redeaming Qualities

Originally posted by cleaning wench
Hes not a fun drunk, tends to be moody and argumenative. I have 2 children from a previous marriage,
they don't want to be around him anymore, so this is putting alot
of stress on our relationship.

I pray he's not a mean drunk. Those are the worst kind. This, combined with the children.... The outcome appears most bleak.

I would cut my losses .... Kick 'em to the curb. But thats your call. Extreme bummer, to say the least.

 

[che]

Problem with drunks is that they believe their lies, too....maybe not exactly at the moment they're telling them....but by the time that breath is finished....they're sure in their heart they're right.

My ex was an alcoholic. Unless you've been addicted to something, or at least lived through someone who has...it's difficult to understand or describe. They're still in there....the person....but it's the drugs and/or alcohol that grabs them and manipulates them like a marionette on strings. They really have no control at that time. Dr Jekyl/Mr Hyde....and at least in my case, I never knew which one I was dealing with. I talked to him just a couple years ago...I didn't know which one I was talking to then either....but it didn't matter.

He went through SEVERAL rehab places, etc. lied about going...lied to himself that they were working....etc. Hit what HAD to be 'bottom' many times. Took a few people down with him each time.

I'm sure there are degrees....but as long as friends/relatives/employers 'enable' this person.....they will continue with their ways. Problem is...I never could tell how you COULD know when they were getting better or REALLY trying to....they're soooo good at lies.


Robyn, I may be speaking out of turn...but your efforts now should be towards yourself and...EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY....your children. If he WANTS to be in your life, or better his own....he'll have to find a way...it will have to be HIS effort or it won't happen. He has to WANT to fight. Any other way is just a big smoke screen....just putting off what's really there all along. I remember thinking I should go to Al Anon...never did...but in hindsight, it probably would have been a good thing.

Good luck,
Che

 

[Gypo Logger]

Hi Che, that was a very heartfelt post you made. Can I pose this if I can? There are no alcoholics, there are no drug addicts, there isnt even such a thing as obesity nor even the other 1000 physical maladies that so mysteriously attack us in our innocence, but rather, there are just people with no or limited will power.
No one is hopeless or helpless against what befalls them. Addiction really, is nothing more than the body telling the mind what to do. Flesh is dumb, thats why the brain should tell the body what to do. We all pick our poison, but there are no diseases, just constitutional strengths and weaknesses, and none of us are exempt.
Am I a mental giant or what?
John

 

[NeTree]

Wow man, that was deep.....

 

[Jacob J.]

Alcoholism isn't necessarily the body telling the mind what to do. It's rather the mind itself fooling a person into believing they need a drink to "set things right". In the normal course of alcoholism, as well as certain drug addictions, the chemical effects of the alcohol itself affects levels of certain brain chemicals being produced. I had many, many addicts of all forms on my forestry crews, and I've seen it all- DTs, the violent shakes, the hallucinations, going for days or weeks on end with little or no sleep, and the same without eating; I had a heroin addict that went 11 days without going to the bathroom.

 

[Wolf66]

Wow, its a messed up world. As I told you guys in a previous post, I was a Park Ranger for a few years, and what is really scary is all the abuse that alcholism brings out in people.
The one thing I can tell Robyn is that if your husband ever hits you no matter if he is drunk or sober, thats it , get away while you can. I was nver a real cop, I have police training, experiencing patroling parks in a police uniform with full police powers. But I have seen a lot. I have arrested men for beating thier wives, and I have arrested men for child abuse. Alcholism always seemed to play a role in the situation. To them it was often a excuse, I would say "why would you hurt the ones you love " and the most comman responce was always "Well I had a few drinks etc. etc. ". Working in parks you get to know the "regulars" They knew me by my first name, and I knew them by how I met them. A wife beater will always be a wife beater.
The wives seem to always want to give a second, third, fourth chance. This at times will not end until a funeral. I would never raise a hand to a woman let alone my wife. I hope this is not the case for Robyn, if it is , run and dont look back.

 

[Wolf66]

Originally posted by Gypo Logger
Hi Wolf, could this be the bar wrench that belongs to that piss tank that use to work for you?
John

Great you found one of my wrenches he has used,LOL ,Let me know if you find any other of the many tools he has lost over the years, cause some will have lifetime warenties.

 

[Crofter]

Gypo, it is easy to say an addict (to whatever master) merely lacks willpower or motivation, but I can tell you that when addicted that willpower is allmost impossible to find. A few manage to break out of the fog because they are shocked by some dramatic event. Usually it takes some kind of disaster or the undeniable promise of it. Even that does not always work. It took the death of a couple of close drinking buddies to get me thinking and another couple of years to make up my mind.
I think Che has a pretty realistic spin on things.

And the brown bottle said "Those who most love you, its them you abuse!"

Frank