Would I Make A Good Abhorist?

[Gypo Logger]

I don't want anybody laughing at me or anything like that, but I was thinking of branching out and becoming an abhorist, hence my signage in the pic.
This dude from the West Coast who was on Monster Garage said I don't look the part and that I need an 020T hanging off my pants like a piece of meat, much like a greaseball janitor would have a biker chain wallet thing with at least 250 keys hanging frivolously and klanging away like to get attention and whatnot.

 

[Ekka]

Would I Make A Good Abhorist?

Dont know what one of those is ... oh, you mean Arborist.

Well, that just depends on whether or not you have the mental capacity to learn, the physical capacity to climb, the dexterity to work at heights, the problem solving ability to dismantle in pieces and rig and finally the dedication to care by taking the holistic approach of trees not the monetary value of the wood at a mill.

You could make a good one, or a bad one, it's entirely up to you, but you will have to study to become certified.

 

[kf_tree]

ekka

why do you say all that? i know 2 certified arborists that never climbed a tree in their lives.

 

[Ekka]

That's the difference between yours and ours or Englands Arborists.

I do not understand how one could call themselves an Arborist without those skills. You're just some glorified hort wanker if you come half cocked with half the skills.

That's why I do not respect the ISA cert Arb thing, All paperwork isn't it?

I know if I get a UK Arborist, Aussie Arborist, Kiwi Arborist they can climb, rig, fell cut, spikeless climb etc etc. If I get an ISA one ... bla, it's half an Arborist.

 

[kf_tree]

i had it happen twice this year on contract jobs where i had a " certified arborist" telling me where to cut while i was in the bucket. both times it was basicly hack work any way. on one job i was cutting back tree's on a highway so oncoming cars could see the signs from a distance. another time i was topping a tree so a crane had room to clear the tree. thats interesting that over by you a arborist needs to climb.

 

[Ekka]

Well I find it a bit misleading otherwise.

It would be like having a mechanic with no tool box or wont get his hands dirty.

Every Arborist I have hired from Aussie/UK/NZ has climbing skills, I have only encountered no climbing Arborists in powerline bucket work and from US.

There's a push by some of the larger employers to get specialised Arborist training exempting the climbing as they have bucket trucks. Much controversy.

I have also learnt to ask for their qualifications so I can see what modules they have ... if no climbing, rigging ... goodbye.

 

[R Schra]

i had it happen twice this year on contract jobs where i had a " certified arborist" telling me where to cut while i was in the bucket. both times it was basicly hack work any way. on one job i was cutting back tree's on a highway so oncoming cars could see the signs from a distance. another time i was topping a tree so a crane had room to clear the tree. thats interesting that over by you a arborist needs to climb.

MMM, here (dutch) we work within the EAC (european arboriculture council) with two streams. European Tree Worker (ETW) as beeing arborist that trims, prunes, falls, plants etc. And specific for desk jobs, research, advise/council they developed European Tree Technician (ETT). The meaning is with those registrations that there is a basic equal level trough europe.

www.eac-arboriculture.com

 

[Dan Forsh]

I don't think Gypo's spelling "Abhorist" was by mistake.... it was subtle Gypo, but I got it.

 

[Gypo Logger]

Hi Dan, I'm glad you picked up on that. I came up with that last night.
I thought it only fair that the Treehousers call this place AbhoristSite since we call them treehosers and other stuff.
John

 

[Rotax Robert]

Here's a pic of Gypos rope tieing abilities and we all know he can run a saw.

http://www.arboristsite.com/attachment_6018.php

Rotax Robert

 

[Ekka]

Oh, I get it now, derrr. thick Aussies.

TreeCO, you climb and do work whether it be pruning or TD's, what are your Arb qualifications ... ISA or something else? LIke can some ISA ARBS get the climbing/rigging stuff?

What about ISA master arbs ... do they have climbing/rigging in there?

Also, our qualifications are at a standard National level. Taught throughout our Govt owned TAFE system or private colleges that deliver the modules. There is a standard, endorsed by govt, so there's uniformity in what has to be covered. But what you do find is that various colleges go further and like different uni's some carry more weight as you know the student will have better knowledge and skills due to the tutors and information supplied beyond the standard of the requirement.

In other words, if you were to sit the ISA certified Arborist course here it may not be recognised or valued as much as ours.

 

[John Ellison]

Is their a difficult test to become a "glorified hort wanker" ? Sounds like fun to me. Maybe hort wanking is illegal here.

John

 

[Rotax Robert]

And yours would not be recognized hear EKKA...welcome to the USA

ROTAX ROBERT

 

[Gypo Logger]

Is their a difficult test to become a "glorified hort wanker" ? Sounds like fun to me. Maybe hort wanking is illegal here.

John

Hi John, I think I am becoming fond of that term.
Would I make a good Hort Wanker?
John
http://www.arboristsite.com/attachment_27360.php

 

[Thor's Hammer]

Well you make a good wanker in other respects John, so I suppose a Hort wanker is not to big a jump.
Like the pic BTW, is that a new tractor you have there? looks very usefull.

 

[Gypo Logger]

Thor, I have no idea why you would think I was a wanker ??
http://www.arboristsite.com/attachment_5107.php

Actually, I tractor is new with about 70 hr's on it now. It will climb really well and I could log 90% of my woodlots with it. It's very versatile especially wiyj the loader.
Everybody should have a tractor.
John

 

[Thor's Hammer]

Good load of firewood there too. how much would that be worth?

 

[tophopper]

Do you really think its a money grab Dan?

Are you aware of where the money goes?

Have you thought about what it takes to run an org. like the ISA?


I fully agree the cert programs could use some overhauling.

 

[Gypo Logger]

Hi Thor, that load is 40 yards or 1080 cubic ft. slightly more than 6 full cords. 2/3rd's Sugar Maple and the rest White Ash.
Although it's greener than grass, I'll still get 1,500 dollars delivered. The bin cost me 200. I felled, skid, blocked, split by hand and loaded it all in 25 hrs.,(5 five hr. days) plus I have about 2000 ft. of logs as well. It didn't kill me so I guess I'm good for anther year.
John

 

[Dadatwins]

Also, our qualifications are at a standard National level. Taught throughout our Govt owned TAFE system or private colleges that deliver the modules. There is a standard, endorsed by govt, so there's uniformity in what has to be covered. But what you do find is that various colleges go further and like different uni's some carry more weight as you know the student will have better knowledge and skills due to the tutors and information supplied beyond the standard of the requirement.

Interesting, I am curious if there are penalties for work performance not according to standards, ie spikes on trimming, stubbing/topping stuff like that? ISA really does not have any penalty for a CA doing hack work, the one thing they do inforce strongly is the CA trademark and its proper use and display. I think the BCMA program has a review board setup but not sure what if any penalties there are. I have yelled at ISA also about their non-climbing certified arborist and standard answer is ISA is equal opportunity for all, so they will not restrict someone in a wheel chair from becoming a CA. I suggested a split type of CA like a Practicing Certified Arborist and a Non - practicing but never heard a response.

Sorry to derail your thread Gypo, and the answer to your question is yes you would make a fine abhorist and probably a good 'hort wanker' whatever that is. Nice tractor, have you driven over any saws with it yet?