Would you hire....

[Natewood]

Lol. Well, if we had that many here, I would make damn sure I wouldn't help a single one of one of em... especially if they couldn't even climb a ####ing tree!! ..just sayin'.

I use them like a free sales team lol

 

[mckeetree]

I DO run my own show. Two full crews six trucks,Fully insured and documented,yep MY show.

You have all that going and you have time to CLIMB for thirty other companies. I have to call BS on this one I'm sorry.

 

[mckeetree]

I think mkeetree is bitter for some reason... Maybe he can't afford a contract climber? Or maybe he's so scared of "competitors" that he doesn't even realize how beneficial and profitable that scenario can be....

I'm not bitter I'm just setting here trying to figure out how to believe your deal there Nate. I'm having trouble doing that.

 

[mckeetree]

Lol. Well, if we had that many here, I would make damn sure I wouldn't help a single one of one of em... especially if they couldn't even climb a ####ing tree!! ..just sayin'.

You ain't never wrong on that one. Looks like we think alike.

 

[Natewood]

You have all that going and you have time to CLIMB for thirty other companies. I have to call BS on this one I'm sorry.

Well i could probvide you a list of companies but why should I? because You have no idea of our demograh, for Christ sake you live in a desert. I live in the fifth heaviest forsted state, in a metropolis of over a million.there are over 300 companies servicing this area,A lot of them hate each other like you seem to,meanwhile I use them to my advantage because i can swallow my pride. Maybe even create a scenerio when they go under they could work for me.

 

[Natewood]

Lol. Well, if we had that many here, I would make damn sure I wouldn't help a single one of one of em... especially if they couldn't even climb a ####ing tree!! ..just sayin'.

Climbing a tree is rather simple while getting laterals off of houses,crane type jobs without one,dying trees,spikeless pruning(everyone uses spikes here) and other obstacles takes a more developed skill set.
I don't do enough work for any single company to"make" them but collectively in a slow year they can save me. Practically a free advertising and estimator.

 

[tree MDS]

Climbing a tree is rather simple while getting laterals off of houses,crane type jobs without one,dying trees,spikeless pruning(everyone uses spikes here) and other obstacles takes a more developed skill set.
I don't do enough work for any single company to"make" them but collectively in a slow year they can save me. Practically a free advertising and estimator.

Oh, so you're the only treeman in a heavily populated forest of treewomen, and they all bow down and ask for your help when the going gets tough and they actually have to rope something... even though you're competition... that sounds reasonable.

 

[jefflovstrom]

Nope! kinda used to your style by now- anyone who does things different than you is wrong or a liar or some other negative term. An opinion is one thing but no need to be negative or condescending. We have guys up here like that, too busy poking their nose up every ones a*s that they can't figure out how to get theirs to make money!
But its funny, I barely hear of your gig. Where's your website , what kind of position/company do you hold?

Did think I was negative or condescending.
Jeff

Urban Tree Care, arborists, tree care professionals, pruning, crown cleaning, thinning, raising, reduction, vista and resoration, removals and stump grinding

 

[Natewood]

Oh, so you're the only treeman in a heavily populated forest of treewomen, and they all bow down and ask for your help when the going gets tough and they actually have to rope something... even though you're competition... that sounds reasonable.

some are small shows, some cant find enough qualifeid help and some dont view it as competing.... I personally don't compete against anyone really, its all how you look at it.

 

[mckeetree]

I use them to my advantage because i can swallow my pride. Maybe even create a scenerio when they go under they could work for me.

You work for them so when they go under they can work for you. Mmmmmm. I have been in the green industry for 35 years but that must be real old school stuff right there. You are using them to your advantage by using a trick so old it's not even in the book.

 

[boo]

Maybe even create a scenerio when they go under they could work for me.

hmmm... the word "create" sounds like a sabotage.

 

[mckeetree]

hmmm... the word "create" sounds like a sabotage.

No, it's old school stuff. This stuff is so good it predates most all of us here. Works like this....you have a tree business running two or three crews, Ok with me so far, you let your business go to hell while you climb for some thirty other companies, then, when they go broke they go to work for you.

 

[tree MDS]

No, it's old school stuff. This stuff is so good it predates most all of us here. Works like this....you have a tree business running two or three crews, Ok with me so far, you let your business go to hell while you climb for some thirty other companies, then, when they go broke they go to work for you.

Awesome. Now that we've been enlightened to this tactic, we can hold it right up there with the other classics.... like financing so much big scary equipment, that it forces all your competition to fold and slunker off into depression and boozedom, while you take over and get rich.

 

[boo]

No, it's old school stuff. This stuff is so good it predates most all of us here. Works like this....you have a tree business running two or three crews, Ok with me so far, you let your business go to hell while you climb for some thirty other companies, then, when they go broke they go to work for you.

Sorry Bro, I still don't get it... if I'm climbing for "them", they are making money... providing they know how to bid the jobs.
Neglecting my own business to get "their" jobs done is counter productive for me as a business owner... so it seems to me.
I'm not sure I could carry work for the man power of 30 or so tree services anyway.

 

[mckeetree]

Awesome. Now that we've been enlightened to this tactic, we can hold it right up there with the other classics.... like financing so much big scary equipment, that it forces all your competition to fold and slunker off into depression and boozedom, while you take over and get rich.

Or that ageless trick where you underbid everybody in sight. Even doorknockers running around in $300 pickups. Then when they all go broke you take over and get rich.

 

[mckeetree]

Sorry Bro, I still don't get it... if I'm climbing for "them", they are making money... providing they know how to bid the jobs.
Neglecting my own business to get "their" jobs done is counter productive for me as a business owner... so it seems to me.
I'm not sure I could carry work for the man power of 30 or so tree services anyway.

Yeah. Some of that old school stuff falls into the "don't try this at home" category.

 

[pdqdl]

You guys are all wearing yourself out on this topic. Natewood hires others, that means he is doing his own thing.

He is willing to work for other tree services; which only means that his business model is different than yours. I do tree work for other guys, but they are invariably smaller companies than mine. They pay me a price that I quote to do a job, and I consider them to be a customer, not a competitor. I would rather they didn't exist, but I don't have that option, and it does me no good to try to hamper their business in any way.

My market is like his: saturated with tree services. I have 2 tree services run by a BCMA within 1/4 mile of my shop, and that doesn't count the 10 or more within 2 miles of my shop that are much larger than my piddly little tree service.

Take what work you can get. That's my policy.

 

[Natewood]

You guys are all wearing yourself out on this topic. Natewood hires others, that means he is doing his own thing.

He is willing to work for other tree services; which only means that his business model is different than yours. I do tree work for other guys, but they are invariably smaller companies than mine. They pay me a price that I quote to do a job, and I consider them to be a customer, not a competitor. I would rather they didn't exist, but I don't have that option, and it does me no good to try to hamper their business in any way.

My market is like his: saturated with tree services. I have 2 tree services run by a BCMA within 1/4 mile of my shop, and that doesn't count the 10 or more within 2 miles of my shop that are much larger than my piddly little tree service.

Take what work you can get. That's my policy.

Thank You! People can't seem to fathom any ones ideas but their own. Funny part is they probably sub their stumps out which is the same as subbing out your technical climbs.

And the part about them going under... It happens so often here, people get laid off from their manufactruring jobs, think there's big money in trees, take their severance pay and start up. Most have no business sense ,and some no real related talent. Most only last two or three years but theres alway new ones popping up as fast as they fall. So Instead of mopaning and groaning about all the competition , I figure out how to make money off their advertising and sales.Unorthodox, yes but effective.

And thirty companies is an average number of the different companies i work for in the year. Not an every day thing,once a weektypically unless I go out on the weekernd with one, and I bring my crew with me so my company is not going to hell

 

[Natewood]

hmmm... the word "create" sounds like a sabotage.

By creating a scenario I mean more or less maintain my paitence and relationship with them. Not sabotoge them; they'll do that on their own.

 

[mckeetree]

Funny part is they probably sub their stumps out which is the same as subbing out your technical climbs.

No, no they don't.