@capetrees that proves my point entirely, folk around me call the original honey locust black locust, the ones we call reds may in fact be a hybrid of a black or even a honey. Here are some pictures of what is referred to as black locust around me.View attachment 858466View attachment 858467View attachment 858468View attachment 858469
Dang I wish I had Rufus’s Honey Beer recipe, I’d pay you by the bushel for the seed pods.