24" Bar comparison - stihl cannon tsumura sugihara

[redbull660]

Bars tested -
25" Stihl 050 narrow nose bar
25" Stihl 063 Wide tip bar (brazil made)
24" Cannon Super Bar Plus (wide tip) 063
24" Sugihara light bar .050
24" Tsumura 063 light bar

introduction...



- Differences in temperature after cutting



Jug/cyl temps -
25" Stihl .050 narrow nose bar - 305 F
25" Stihl .063 Wide tip bar - 295 F
24" Cannon .063 Super Bar+ (wide tip) - 278 F
24" Sugihara .050 light bar - 280 F
24" Tsumura .063 light bar - 284 F


temp of bar just after spikes (mount area) -
25" Stihl .050 narrow nose bar - 157 F
25" Stihl .063 Wide tip bar - 157 F
24" Cannon .063 Super Bar+ (wide tip) - 140 F
24" Sugihara .050 light bar - 142 F
24" Tsumura .063 light bar - 134 F


mid bar temp
25" Stihl .050 narrow nose bar - 136 F
25" Stihl .063 Wide tip bar - 127 F
24" Cannon .063 Super Bar+ (wide tip) - 88 F
24" Sugihara .050 light bar - 118 F
24" Tsumura .063 light bar - 110 F


Sprocket Nose -
25" Stihl .050 narrow nose bar - 174 F
25" Stihl .063 Wide tip bar - 147 F
24" Cannon .063 Super Bar+ (wide tip) - 87 F
24" Sugihara .050 light bar - 91 F
24" Tsumura .063 light bar - 74 F


Differences in balance/handling?



Differences in bar stiffness

 

[redbull660]

Difference in oiling?



Difference in Time / Speed ?




461R with...
Bar........... Small Oak...Bigger Oak..Rock Elm
25" Stihl 050 narrow nose bar -10.4 sec 15.4 sec 43.4 sec
25" Stihl 063 Wide tip bar (brazil made) -9.8 sec 15.8 sec 37.2 sec
24" Cannon Super Bar Plus (wide tip) 063 -10.4 sec 16.5 sec 41.5 sec
24" Sugihara light bar .050 - 10.4 sec 15.9 sec 38.4 sec
24" Tsumura 063 light bar - 10.3 sec 15.2 sec 34.8 sec
also -
*660R with 24" tsumura 063 light bar - 8.9 sec 13.2 sec 33.2 sec (but got stuck)

 

[wood4heat]

I am amazed at the differences between each bar! Is that due to a better roller tip, better oiling, better???

Are you going to get weights off of each as well? I am particularly interested in the 24" Sugi 050 vs 25" Stilh 050.

 

[showrguy]

redbull,
What makes you do all these comparison threads ??
Juss curious....

 

[redbull660]

redbull,
What makes you do all these comparison threads ??
Juss curious....

my job is 1. boring as heck. 2. it allows me the time. 3. I like saws and guns!


here's all my bar data I've kept...

also posted a lot of info here - http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/bar-data-picture-thread.265892/

http://i60.tinypic.com/344sjlz.jpg

 

[SAWMIKAZE]

Is your job hiring ? , my back hurts.

 

[Effs]

Great information!!! Thank you

 

[2dogs]

If and when you go to sell these I would like to buy the Cannon.

 

[wood4heat]

Do you buy bars just to experiment with and then sell them?

 

[Deets066]

For the most part the tsumura is always on or next to the top in all of your comparisons, might have to look into one next time I'm due for a bar

 

[Backtroller]

This is really interesting. I never would have thought there would have been such a difference in temperature between bars. I would have to think that lower temperatures would lead to longer lives for all of the different components? Thanks for sharing the results.

 

[redbull660]

For the most part the tsumura is always on or next to the top in all of your comparisons, might have to look into one next time I'm due for a bar

...yeah if you want a light bar Tsumura seems to be the best. Regular weight bar Cannon. Both run cool and fast. and thus the Saw (jug) runs cooler...that's ok by me! Seems to be the case with any length. (I tested 20 24 28 32 36")

*note - I've only really tested the Wide tip (super bar PLUS) Cannons. The one narrow tip (28" super bar) I tested did run slower. I have a 36" so I'll test that in the future.

why a light bar - you would think the approx .5 - 1lb drop in weight wouldn't make THAT much of a difference. But it does. The balance point changes...it's a whole different saw with a light bar....yeah I'm hooked lol


Links to the other bar comparisons I've done

36" = http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/36-bar-comparison.273078/

32" = http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/32-detailed-bar-comparison-video.267253/

28" = http://www.arboristsite.com/communi...n-stihl-cannon-total-tsumura-sugihara.276353/

20" i've never posted ...did it in a different format so it's not broken up. i'll find the results and post those...but here is the vid.

 

[2dogs]

I much prefer a LW bar myself. I want a Cannon bar on the small back up saw (MS441) for wildland fire work.

 

[SCTREEGUY]

I just got 3 total super bars for some recent purchases. I think I read that these are made by tsumara is that right?

 

[KenJax Tree]

I just got 3 total super bars for some recent purchases. I think I read that these are made by tsumara is that right?

Yes Sir

 

[SCTREEGUY]

What kind of heat gun is that?

 

[redbull660]

Flir ...according to my buddy, if I break it I owe his company about $2500 so im pretty careful with it! lol

 

[SCTREEGUY]

Ok then never mind lol

 

[KG441c]

I much prefer a LW bar myself. I want a Cannon bar on the small back up saw (MS441) for wildland fire work.

Cannon releases their LW bars in Oct.

 

[fordf150]

Setting them all side x side sure does show some differences in what I assume is the quality level of each bar. Tsumara sugi and cannon prove why they command a premium price