The best deal on a 70cc class saw is now........

[spike60]

.........the new 365XT. It does in fact share the same bore and stroke with the 372. (So my earlier "it must be a misprint" idea is out the window.) They also use the same piston, so it is a legit 71cc saw. I don't have the specifics yet, but it seems it's all done with porting/timing. Haven't run it yet myself, as they just came in yesterday. Only guy I know who has is Barney34, who just made a couple cuts with it. We'll have to compare one to a 372XT, among others. I feel the 372XT will easily outcut the original 71cc XP, and this saw will likely toast the original 365, especially with the extra CC's. Price is about $150 less than a 372. As you can see, it has the same style capped port cylinder. I'm sure you porting guys already got the wheels turning. :msp_sneaky:

 

[JustinM]

IMHO "deal" or "value" relates strongly to the market you are in. Huskys are so ridiculously priced up here (at least in my part of the country) that even the 365XT is a bad value compared with the stihl & dolmars.

 

[spike60]

Yes Robin, it's coming in Red.........Jonny 2166

 

[TheLazyBFarm]

Is this the same as the 365? The Husky site shows the 365 but not the 365XT. It also shows it as having a 65 cc engine.

BTW, what is the going price for the 365XT? I'm thinking of upgrading from my Husky 350.

Thanks,

 

[nmurph]

Bob, what is the HP spec?? Is it cheaper than the 7900?

 

[SawTroll]

The Jonsered specs show 3.6 kW for the 2166, and 4.1 kW for the 2172.

 

[nmurph]

The Jonsered specs show 3.6 kW for the 2166, and 4.1 kW for the 2172.

4.8 and 5.5, respectively. ST, the 2166 is the same saw in the OP?

 

[SawTroll]

4.8 and 5.5, respectively. ST, the 2166 is the same saw in the OP?

Yes, basically the same as the 365xt, with the usual differences.

All those saws are 70.7cc - so Spike has to be right about where the difference is - cylinder porting and maybe timing.....:smile2:.

 

[TK]

Well that should boost the 570's sales....

 

[SawTroll]

Well that should boost the 570's sales....

I don't quite see how it would.:msp_confused:

 

[SawTroll]

4.8 and 5.5, respectively. ST, the 2166 is the same saw in the OP?

Could be 4.9 and 5.6 as well....

 

[needwood]

.........the new 365XT. It does in fact share the same bore and stroke with the 372. (So my earlier "it must be a misprint" idea is out the window.) They also use the same piston, so it is a legit 71cc saw. I don't have the specifics yet, but it seems it's all done with porting/timing. Haven't run it yet myself, as they just came in yesterday. Only guy I know who has is Barney34, who just made a couple cuts with it. We'll have to compare one to a 372XT, among others. I feel the 372XT will easily outcut the original 71cc XP, and this saw will likely toast the original 365, especially with the extra CC's. Price is about $150 less than a 372. As you can see, it has the same style capped port cylinder. I'm sure you porting guys already got the wheels turning. :msp_sneaky:

Whats the price, 24" bar out the door?

 

[procarbine2k1]

I really dont need this saw, but darn if my wheels arent turning. I have a 372xpw, so you are telling me that I need to get rid of the MS261? heheh
Sounds like a real bargain, I really wanted to check out the 562 but refuse to wait any longer on it.

 

[nmurph]

I really dont need this saw, but darn if my wheels arent turning. I have a 372xpw, so you are telling me that I need to get rid of the MS261? heheh
Sounds like a real bargain, I really wanted to check out the 562 but refuse to wait any longer on it.

If you have a 372 I wouldn't get another saw that is lesser powered on the same frame.
I would gladly give up .2hp to lose a pound or more of weight.

 

[AUSSIE1]

Hard to tell from the transfer caps, but wondering if there is restriction in the transfers like the smaller CC's of the earlier 3 series.

If not it would be interesting.

If it was possible to pop a cap off and have a look.

If the durations were less than the 372, yes they would be of interest to a porter.

So what are these going for Spike?

Thanks.

 

[SawTroll]

If you have a 372 I wouldn't get another saw that is lesser powered on the same frame.
I would gladly give up .2hp to lose a pound or more of weight.

Regarding specs, you will actually loose less than .2 hp with the 562xp, and "loose" a lot more than a pound of weight - but that is of course not the full story......

Those saws aren't really comparable at all - too different!

 

[masculator]

why would you build a detuned version of a saw??? it costs the same to make it, you cannot sell it for as much, people don't want to buy it because it is the same saw as the one which outperforms it. Take for example the stihl MS 650, which really is a stirling saw, but because it was basically the same saw as the ms 660, but lacked the power of the "bigger brother" it never gained the popularity that it really should have enjoyed or for that matter really deserved. It is also why the ms 460 has enjoyed its time in the sun over a similarly positioned 441. Although the 441 is a great saw with a lot of innovative features the 460 had more power for the weight and thus actually gained a lot of popularity where previously the 440 had enjoyed it. There are a number more similar examples, but I know if I was buying one of those saws I would be paying the extra and getting the whole saw!!!

 

[nmurph]

why would you build a detuned version of a saw???

Every brand does it. (6400/7900, 357/359, 345/345/353, 290/310/390..... just to name a few) It's about hitting the price point.

 

[masculator]

Every brand does it. (6400/7900, 357/359, 345/345/353, 290/310/390..... just to name a few) It's about hitting the price point.

I don't agree if i had the choice of getting the real thing with full power at the same weight for 50 bucks more I would, and like I say it is why some very good saws never became popular and have been dropped from manufacturers lists. I.E. stihl 084, 064, ms 650 etc.etc.

personally I like the stance of stihl " build a quality product that is basically at the top end of its class and say this is it buy it or don't" not the "i know lets build a detuned version of the same thing and make the guys buying the "real" version feel ripped off by selling it 50 bucks cheaper" attitude of others.

 

[AUSSIE1]

why would you build a detuned version of a saw??? it costs the same to make it, you cannot sell it for as much, people don't want to buy it because it is the same saw as the one which outperforms it. Take for example the stihl MS 650, which really is a stirling saw, but because it was basically the same saw as the ms 660, but lacked the power of the "bigger brother" it never gained the popularity that it really should have enjoyed or for that matter really deserved. It is also why the ms 460 has enjoyed its time in the sun over a similarly positioned 441. Although the 441 is a great saw with a lot of innovative features the 460 had more power for the weight and thus actually gained a lot of popularity where previously the 440 had enjoyed it. There are a number more similar examples, but I know if I was buying one of those saws I would be paying the extra and getting the whole saw!!!

I see your point, but plenty are happy with the power of the smaller capacity units especially with the price difference.

The difference here is the same bore by stroke. If everything else is equal bar the porting no's for less bucks, it's the ticket if you are going to play with no's.

Every brand does it. (6400/7900, 357/359, 345/345/353, 290/310/390..... just to name a few) It's about hitting the price point.

Yep, 362, 365, 371/2.