I was at a saw display today at a John Deere dealer and there was a spanking new 461 on the shelf and I started asking questions. I guess it had only been there a month or less so it was not some long ago leftover, its been at least two years since they switched over to the 462 (btw I blew up two of those and sweared off new saws for a while). Counter guy was not too helpful. They wanted 1200 with a 25 inch bar. Believe me I was temped because I liked the 461 in the woods, good power and I have one that is about 4 years old now and running strong so they hold up in my opinion. I guess its not a fluke maybe they are re-releasing 461 as the 462 must have had some issues, my Stihl dealer would not stand behind those 462 failures because I was commercial and beyond my 3 months. I started buying old 460s where ever I found them.