Thanks guys for the advise ya know that its a little hard to even think of changing manufactures when you have had such great results with a Stihl. I have a 041 that I use almost exclusive on the ground I had this saw full bore into one of North Dakotas Finest and it ceased up . I removed the saw ,finshed the cut put the tree on the ground safe and sound and the next day I put just a little dextron in the spark hole and it took off and is running just fine today. Now that says a lot about a saw thanks alot guys , I have a little time before I need to make my move . I will let you know thanks again , dave1