4 acres in x days?

[northmanlogging]

Gots a possible job, long story short dude thinks it can be done in a certain amount of days, I'm not so sure on it.

Any way Cedar Hemlock and Doug Fir, Flat ground no major obstacles, road on one side maybe a house on one end.

How long would it take you fine folks to fall, limb and buck these up for the mill, average 100' tall. so 2-3 logs per tree.

I figure it would take me 8-12 days, but I'm fat and gimpy.

 

[northmanlogging]

Probably average PNW spacing, say 20-30' between or more.

 

[ChoppyChoppy]

Do you need to skid and deck them too or just talking about felling? What equipment are you felling with?

 

[northmanlogging]

Falling only he's going to yard em, hand falling, taint got no fancy feller buncher, just one dumb feller.

 

[chucker]

cedar has a ton of limbs!! so with your estimate of covered area the count must be at 30 butt's to the acre @ 20"=28" dbh ..... might figure a days worth per acre just to limb without a count of specie's per acre hey?? could you have someone else help out with the limbing while you fell and buck? another question would be clear cut or select?

 

[northmanlogging]

I'm ass-u-meing its a clear cut. At least I hope so, since he described the equipment he's wanting to use...

Don't figure on a huge amount of cedar, Probably a nice patch of Dougs, then a patch of Hemlock/cedar mix, heavy on the Hemlock.

Cedars are limby bitchs though... if'n its mostly ceder I'm thinking two days per acre...

 

[chucker]

I would say your in the park ! any info for bottom end size ? I know there your trees grow far longer per year then the great cold north land..... a large Norway pine @ 90' has a dbh of 30" when your in good to excellent timber which isn't often.

 

[ChoppyChoppy]

Based on your figured of a tree every 20ish feet I figured that works to about a spot 400 ft having a tree. (20x20). On 4 acres that works to around 1000 trees. If you spent 15 mins per tree that's about 270 hrs of labor.

 

[KiwiBro]

Gots a possible job, long story short dude thinks it can be done in a certain amount of days

If I could join in the ASSuming, lemme guess that he wants to pay you a fixed job rate based on his idea of hours and not your idea or actual hours? Hand him your saw and tell him you'll be back in a day to check he is :
a- still alive
b- still as productive as he previously insisted
c- still thinks you're only worth the figures he was blowing out his rear end the day before
d-willing to pay for any damage he did to your gear

 

[bitzer]

Is he lookin to pay you by job or day or hour or volume? I'm guessing its time of some kind? Get a tree count and figure how many you can reasonbly process per day. If you think you can do 40 per day then knock that back to 35 for wiggle room. That whole a guy can do this or that in how many days can be a trap.

 

[northmanlogging]

Wants to pay a set rate for the whole job, depending on the actual thickness of the timber and whatnot its almost a reasonable offer... all depends on how thick they are.

 

[treeslayer2003]

i would figure a week............depends on weather to.... lots of little **** you gotta fall to? that will slow you down a bit.

 

[BeatCJ]

Do you have much other work? Expenses will be relatively low as compared to running your equipment, so if you underestimate your time, you aren't hurt bad. Can you get onto the site to see how much work it really is? Come back with what you think is reasonable, and be prepared to look for something else.

 

[Joe46]

Been out of the game too long NM. But you and I both know that if those cedars are limby bustards you can spend a lot of time pounding wedges.

 

[chucker]

Wants to pay a set rate for the whole job, depending on the actual thickness of the timber and whatnot its almost a reasonable offer... all depends on how thick they are.

might he let you do an acre to test out the site ? It could be good for him and even better for you in the long run! if so your in like Flynn! safe an sane beats down an out! if (that little word with the biggest meaning) he's game for it and want's you to do the job for sure"RUN FOREST RUN" !!

 

[bitzer]

might he let you do an acre to test out the site ? I could be good for him and even better for you in the long run! if so your in like Flynn! safe an sane beats down an out! if (that little word with the biggest meaning) he's game for it and want's you to do the job for sure"RUN FOREST RUN" !!

You are an odd duck.

 

[chucker]

QUACK?? lol

 

[Westboastfaller]

Based on your figured of a tree every 20ish feet I figured that works to about a spot 400 ft having a tree. (20x20). On 4 acres that works to around 1000 trees. If you spent 15 mins per tree that's about 270 hrs of labor.

Based on your figured of a tree every 20ish feet I figured that works to about a spot 400 ft having a tree. (20x20). On 4 acres that works to around 1000 trees. If you spent 15 mins per tree that's about 270 hrs of labor.

20×20,..the 400ft...but you lost me on the = part. Think you were out 600 trees there Vf
its pretty important to know your spacing
Example:
An acre is 209ft ×209ft..going on memory.
so thats 10.5 trees every 210ft
10x 10 = 100 trees
.5× 10 = 5 trees
105 trees per acre at an average of 20ft
But at 30 ft spacing your at 30 × 7 = 210 ft
7×7 = 49 only....big difference!
Thats either 420 vs 196 trees..
Got to sharpen you pencil.
If your have a logging tape or hip chain & compass, do some random plots measere out 104ft
North, South,East,West. Do a couple of 3 random plots through an acre then x by 4 as thats a 1/4 acre. 52ft sq is only a 16th of an acre. May work better with the big plot me thinks. It won't lie to you.
Things to think about?You have retention falling on one side it sounds it is a narrow long strip? Things that slow it down.
How about the road? Are you required to have certified trafic control personal?
Or at least responsible to bring in a spotter for that time? Bottom line. You need to know if your dealing with '50 or 105 trees'
Per acre. The rest I would break it down per tree. Since its just you then only you know. If a job was big then it would be based on what an AVERAGE guy can do.

 

[northmanlogging]

Do you have much other work? Expenses will be relatively low as compared to running your equipment, so if you underestimate your time, you aren't hurt bad. Can you get onto the site to see how much work it really is? Come back with what you think is reasonable, and be prepared to look for something else.

Not enough to count on...

Planning on heading up Fri. to take a look, and possible haggle over the cost etc. Figure if I can get it done in 8 days or so then its worth what he's willing to pay, just have to think about camping out since its up by the kanukian border (100 mi plus one way). Thats ok cause I got family not far from it.

 

[chucker]

spot on! with your sharp pencil west! man can lie to his/her liking but numbers never lie, although some times we wish the bottom line was.... or at least incorrect!