4 poplars

[rbtree]

The v8 ,s weren't half bad but I had a bad experiance with one after our flunky mechanics changed the blades and forgot to torque one down. I like my old asplundh I know many here will laugh but I enjoy getting a little whup ass chipping:hmm3grin2orange: Of course I ain't chipped anything for over two years lol

M&M's were/are the best hand fed chipper ever made. They make the best (smallest) chips. They aren't "chuck and ducks" at all, due to the position of the anvil relative to the drum, which slows the feed rate way down, compared to all other old chippers. Well, besides the long gone Fitchburg. Only issue with my M&M, which I had for 10-11 years, was the need to keep sharp knives.

 

[treemandan]

Meh, I get 'em for free. If I ever have a get together up here I'd probably set up a tour of Buckingham's factory. They make everything about a block from my place. Never been there but I think it would be cool to check out.

Oh ####, sounds like a feild trip like at the nuclear power plant or the crayola factory.

 

[treemandan]

Well it is no bed of roses that b fo sho. I may become the satellite man took the p test and background check should know in a week. Funny but it seems installing them pays better than climbing trees here

Are they gonna let you use your bucket?

 

[ropensaddle]

Are they gonna let you use your bucket?

Probably I mean its contract so I imagine if it helps me I could use it but really man. I have a satellite the install sure looked easier than risking your life for peanuts.

 

[NCTREE]

Sounds on topic to me. You are looking at this job, its like others you've done, and you are thinking about how to do it better.
I wouldn't use Tenex, it seems to fray easy on rough bark, more for pulley action I think.
If that is what you are after, a system like that for working spars, then I would just recomend to buy a real friction saver. Frugally? I would use climbing line and knot the rings in with palstic thimbles. A choice of a two knots there is with that. I also recomend that the tail of the knot be whipped to the working end with either knot.
Maybe I will hook one up myself. Uh-oh, might be a good day to hit a toy store. But anyway, what I do is either use a choke strap and ties into that or I shorten the bridge of my friction hitch so I can work it tight against the trunk. Seems to hold if I slip.

I don't know if I like the idea of thimbles. I was think of something along the line of the 3 strand adjustable lanyard that sherrill has for $88. I could make that for around $45. Yeah im gonna have to hit the toy store on friday to get some steel rings.

 

[NCTREE]

Oh ####, sounds like a feild trip like at the nuclear power plant or the crayola factory.

or the Yuengling Brewery

 

[Blakesmaster]

or the Yuengling Brewery

Sounds way better than the Hershey factory. lol.

 

[NCTREE]

M&M's were/are the best hand fed chipper ever made. They make the best (smallest) chips. They aren't "chuck and ducks" at all, due to the position of the anvil relative to the drum, which slows the feed rate way down, compared to all other old chippers. Well, besides the long gone Fitchburg. Only issue with my M&M, which I had for 10-11 years, was the need to keep sharp knives.

I had to do the drum bearings in my altec about 2 years ago that ran me $1500 dollars. I have an exaust manifold leak which I want to tackle this winter. Scared to start cranking on the manifold bolts. I know im gonna open a can of worms

 

[NCTREE]

Sounds way better than the Hershey factory. lol.

I always wanted to jump into a holding barrel like in the movie strange brew.

 

[lxt]

Ok, you got me pegged. Your are right. Now will you shut the #### up? BEfore you do : What do you pay your guys?

Ground guys make $15 hr, my top rate makes $25hr..... couldnt provide the raises I would have like too due to the current state of the economy!

My Team has health care which I pay 50% of so its a 50/50 employer/employee plan, they also have option of contributing to an IRA, I can`t match like the big companies....but its a start!



LXT..........

 

[lxt]

Blah Blah Blah! I think you just like to hear yourself talk. Keep digging a deeper hole bucko! How do you know that I didn't make a deal on pay inprivate already. You have no foundation to base your B session on I don't like dicussing my pay in public view of evryone, it's no ones business but mine so shut up!

QUOTE=lxt;1846084]BTW, Im divorced so the wife comment didnt really bother me...!


LXT................

I get rhe feeling people leaving you is a common occurance.[/QUOTE]

how do you know who left who? you are a tard indeed!:monkey:

discussing pay is no big deal.......if you`re legit! & thats why I made the comments regarding pay that I did! If your not hiring someone who has insurance or all the legitimate Biz dealings in place....then you have no business being in business!

its the non legitimate types that ruin this trade & usually leave some poor fool who gets hurt hanging out to try! its as bad as illegal immigrants in my opinion! NC......are you a US citizen?


LXT...................

 

[NCTREE]

I get rhe feeling people leaving you is a common occurance.

how do you know who left who? you are a tard indeed!:monkey:

discussing pay is no big deal.......if you`re legit! & thats why I made the comments regarding pay that I did! If your not hiring someone who has insurance or all the legitimate Biz dealings in place....then you have no business being in business!

its the non legitimate types that ruin this trade & usually leave some poor fool who gets hurt hanging out to try! its as bad as illegal immigrants in my opinion! NC......are you a US citizen?


LXT...................[/QUOTE]

yo quiero taco bell!

 

[treemandan]

I get rhe feeling people leaving you is a common occurance.

how do you know who left who? you are a tard indeed!:monkey:

discussing pay is no big deal.......if you`re legit! & thats why I made the comments regarding pay that I did! If your not hiring someone who has insurance or all the legitimate Biz dealings in place....then you have no business being in business!

its the non legitimate types that ruin this trade & usually leave some poor fool who gets hurt hanging out to try! its as bad as illegal immigrants in my opinion! NC......are you a US citizen?


LXT...................[/QUOTE]

Are you still claiming that I am operating out of the realm of legitamcy? You, know, I wasn't being serious when I said you had me pegged... One thing you said just might be true; Weekend Warrior, I am more and more becoming a weekend warrior. I kinda had it in my head that after my 20 years it should be no problem. And it is no problem.
Hey, I thought you were running the best show a guy could up there and told you that awhile ago. I am just thinking to let all the bs talking that was said earlier to fall through the cracks.
I suppose a lot of us subs might get a bad rep compared to fulltime . Some of it ,though, is I just can't wake up to be in at 7 everyday to put up with half of you guys. Nothing personal, its not you its me.

 

[lxt]

this thread started discussing pay because I started discussing pay. And why not? I think its good. Lets anyone interested in working with me/us where we stand.

discussing pay is one thing, how about discussing whos protected my man! I keep hearing $300 a day like your a parrot, now we know the "dan" has no WC.......lucky you........NO! sorry you is more like it.

you said it best.........nutzo`s...........yep! theres a good biz model right there, tell me this...if you can? Plas or NC breaks a leg (god forbid & I hope not) who pays for that? & how do they pay there medical/living expenses? are you the Dan gonna take care of em? cause with no WC they`re Fu:censored:ed!! you think your liability policy is gonna cover them!

$300 a day is not bad if its legit!! you guys wanna play roullette thats your Biz, my guys get bennies along with an hourly wage.....BTW, my guys have thanksgiving the day after & 1st day of buck off paid! whats the Dan doing for his employees? Guys like you piss me off...

you are nothing but a fly by night sweet shop with a toro dingo, you offer little cash and no future, yes 3 bones might be good under the table but not down the road....... so lets sum it up BEN.......you are paying these guys under the table with no bennies & no insurance to boot right?

If im wrong Ill apologize, just answer the question above!

Ropes.... these are the types ruining biz at this end of the globe, similar to the illegals in your area!


Nutzo`s................. yep only in this trade! & you think you deserve respect C`mon Dan! seriously!


LXT..................

 

[treemandan]

discussing pay is one thing, how about discussing whos protected my man! I keep hearing $300 a day like your a parrot, now we know the "dan" has no WC.......lucky you........NO! sorry you is more like it.

you said it best.........nutzo`s...........yep! theres a good biz model right there, tell me this...if you can? Plas or NC breaks a leg (god forbid & I hope not) who pays for that? & how do they pay there medical/living expenses? are you the Dan gonna take care of em? cause with no WC they`re Fu:censored:ed!! you think your liability policy is gonna cover them!

$300 a day is not bad if its legit!! you guys wanna play roullette thats your Biz, my guys get bennies along with an hourly wage.....BTW, my guys have thanksgiving the day after & 1st day of buck off paid! whats the Dan doing for his employees? Guys like you piss me off...

you are nothing but a fly by night sweet shop with a toro dingo, you offer little cash and no future, yes 3 bones might be good under the table but not down the road....... so lets sum it up BEN.......you are paying these guys under the table with no bennies & no insurance to boot right?

If im wrong Ill apologize, just answer the question above!

Ropes.... these are the types ruining biz at this end of the globe, similar to the illegals in your area!


Nutzo`s................. yep only in this trade! & you think you deserve respect C`mon Dan! seriously!


LXT..................

Basically I am working with other business owners who carry thier own insurance on these poplars. When I work with Jesse and John Wc is held on them by another business owner. Those 2 guys are more like employess so I handle it like that but I also work with other guys who have all of their own stuff or I am hired as a sub or I do the job myself.
My business is being a sub contracter. I am not responsible for anything but myself. Feels good, it really does.
The independant contacter questionaire which I fill out when required allows me to opt out of WC and I am supposed to get these form filled out by my subs.

 

[treemandan]

discussing pay is one thing, how about discussing whos protected my man! I keep hearing $300 a day like your a parrot, now we know the "dan" has no WC.......lucky you........NO! sorry you is more like it.

you said it best.........nutzo`s...........yep! theres a good biz model right there, tell me this...if you can? Plas or NC breaks a leg (god forbid & I hope not) who pays for that? & how do they pay there medical/living expenses? are you the Dan gonna take care of em? cause with no WC they`re Fu:censored:ed!! you think your liability policy is gonna cover them!

$300 a day is not bad if its legit!! you guys wanna play roullette thats your Biz, my guys get bennies along with an hourly wage.....BTW, my guys have thanksgiving the day after & 1st day of buck off paid! whats the Dan doing for his employees? Guys like you piss me off...

you are nothing but a fly by night sweet shop with a toro dingo, you offer little cash and no future, yes 3 bones might be good under the table but not down the road....... so lets sum it up BEN.......you are paying these guys under the table with no bennies & no insurance to boot right?

If im wrong Ill apologize, just answer the question above!

Ropes.... these are the types ruining biz at this end of the globe, similar to the illegals in your area!


Nutzo`s................. yep only in this trade! & you think you deserve respect C`mon Dan! seriously!


LXT..................

No, this is not a proper decsription of my business. Close though and I can see why you are all upset. Sure do. You could say I am running " hotshot" but think of this:
1. I am not the run of the mill hotshot. I have the exeperiance and skills to run like I do and keep, as you say, legit. I know the limits and respect them.
2. Like you gonna through stone? Yeah right? This one guy said to me about he could never give a little cash in a paycheck, I ask him why the hell did he do tree work then? I mean really, now come-on. Don't BS me. The guy who said that wasn't bs-ing me though he was serious and he was in serious trouble with his business.
3. There are many things which influence each business, I don't know all the things that influence yours as you don't know which influence mine nor do you know how long I have had this " business "nor do you know my business plan but I know yours and yours won't work for me and I don't think I want to but if you want I will come and climb with you guys, something like 300 a day... I would charge you more but this ecomnomy thing you know...
4. Its not like I hire kids and have them do it themsleves. I hire other professionals or work with other professionals. That is the way I like it, I would rather get paid by them and " work for" them.

No, I keep on the up and up to the letter of the law and the law says I am not responsible if Plas breaks his leg. Now if I crushed him somehow then I call my ins co and tell them I am going to Fla and to give the guy the money. Hell, there ain't much keeping me in the game now, well, except that job we are gonna do next week.

And see IXT, I am being nice and proper now. Wanna try? where'd ya go?

 

[lxt]

Indeed you have been proper! I dont know how you`re subbing?? im sure the guys you have subbed fill out w-9`s & have a ryder in their liabilty that allows them to sub?

I dont work that way due to the fact a buddy of mine got burnt for doing just the same as you! subbed workers, did the job, done this for years!! then 1 of the subs literally breaks his leg due to a log cut by another letting go & wham!

how this played out was: he who obtained the job (basically General contractor) was ultimately responsible, he hired the subs their liabilty nor his covers an accident of any "worker in the immediate work area", not trying to be ignorant here but read your policy & make certain you are truly covered!

what ended up happening was, this sub was paid in "cash" so technically there was no paper work tying him to being a sub, secondly he ended up suing the General Contractor but due to the fact he was not added on the insurance & no paperwork, w-9`s, etc.. he was not considered a "worker" under the terms of the ins. policy................to make a long story short!

he sued my buddy for neglect, failing to safegaurd a work zone & allowing a non employee/ sub to engage in work!, he also sued the property owner cause the contractors liabilty levels were insufficient to cover his, living/ medical expenses! my buddy no longer has a Biz & that property owner has sold and moved! I have seen it go bad the other way too!

This is why in PA a home improvement contractor must register with the Attorney Generals office & obtain a registration # to be displayed on the vehicle, the way you are operating pushes the envelope of legality & the tracking of monies for tax purposes very difficult which will prompt a similar action in our Business soon! Dont get me wrong......if it works for you & you are providing for your family by all means.....you gotta do what ya gotta do!

the truth is; the way you are operating, unless all the i`s are dotted & T`s crossed, you or those that work with you may be inviting trouble, hopefully a home owner wont ask for Ins. cert`s from you & all sub`s plus the sublet form cert of the general contractor (you) which shows your sub`s are registered with your carrier & legitametly covered..... you may find you finished the job & now this info is requested of you, failure to furnish that info with the proper dates & signatures.......lets just say, NO PAY!

I dont want any of this to be taken like im being "mean" or how ever else you guys might think I come across, for these reasons here is why I question certain things like pay, etc..

Be safe, Take care


LXT................

 

[treemandan]

Indeed you have been proper! I dont know how you`re subbing?? im sure the guys you have subbed fill out w-9`s & have a ryder in their liabilty that allows them to sub?

I dont work that way due to the fact a buddy of mine got burnt for doing just the same as you! subbed workers, did the job, done this for years!! then 1 of the subs literally breaks his leg due to a log cut by another letting go & wham!

how this played out was: he who obtained the job (basically General contractor) was ultimately responsible, he hired the subs their liabilty nor his covers an accident of any "worker in the immediate work area", not trying to be ignorant here but read your policy & make certain you are truly covered!

what ended up happening was, this sub was paid in "cash" so technically there was no paper work tying him to being a sub, secondly he ended up suing the General Contractor but due to the fact he was not added on the insurance & no paperwork, w-9`s, etc.. he was not considered a "worker" under the terms of the ins. policy................to make a long story short!

he sued my buddy for neglect, failing to safegaurd a work zone & allowing a non employee/ sub to engage in work!, he also sued the property owner cause the contractors liabilty levels were insufficient to cover his, living/ medical expenses! my buddy no longer has a Biz & that property owner has sold and moved! I have seen it go bad the other way too!

This is why in PA a home improvement contractor must register with the Attorney Generals office & obtain a registration # to be displayed on the vehicle, the way you are operating pushes the envelope of legality & the tracking of monies for tax purposes very difficult which will prompt a similar action in our Business soon! Dont get me wrong......if it works for you & you are providing for your family by all means.....you gotta do what ya gotta do!

the truth is; the way you are operating, unless all the i`s are dotted & T`s crossed, you or those that work with you may be inviting trouble, hopefully a home owner wont ask for Ins. cert`s from you & all sub`s plus the sublet form cert of the general contractor (you) which shows your sub`s are registered with your carrier & legitametly covered..... you may find you finished the job & now this info is requested of you, failure to furnish that info with the proper dates & signatures.......lets just say, NO PAY!

I dont want any of this to be taken like im being "mean" or how ever else you guys might think I come across, for these reasons here is why I question certain things like pay, etc..

Be safe, Take care


LXT................

I can see how you would get pissed off; here you are working with the system and here I am working around it.
All of what you said is horribly true too and I can't say I am not aware of any of it.
I keep my end looking pretty good when I am hired and a lot of my work I do do myself. Yes, I would rather kick my ass on a job alone than to bring in people that I might be seriously liable for. Not only that but I pretty much stay within the crosswalks of my own limitations.
The last guy I had actually working for me when I was looking to crank out work and grow was finacially responsible enough for himself to be able to... but he drank a case a night and I couldn't take the smell.
So I became parasitic, again, a filthy dirty nutzo sub. My ins guy knows what I do, he don't know about The Plas but maybe one day he will. Maybe one day I will change my policies to suit my needs. Yup, it works for me. But I am still looking for the right people.
See, that was my plan. To find the guys first. I am not going to apply for WC and the rest of it to go through 12 guys a year, to head up an organization. No, I am not no real businessman. I truly think that if you actually operate like you do, IXT, that you would have to figure the cost of an perpetual running help wanted ad and I just can't talk to that many people. Hell, anybody that would answer the ad would be drunk or mexican anyway.
That was bad wasn't it? Well, to paraphrase Billy Joel," I didn't start the fire."
Every white boy round here swinging with his own half baked label sending down limbs for the mexicans to drag away. You should see the crap they pull to get and do jobs. Who even knows if being an illegal alien is illegal anymore. Anyway, whatever it is I don't want it or anything that resembles it at my door. And just cause its knocking don't mean I am gonna run out and get a WC policy on it.
AHH, its sounds like it could be a perfect world guys.I don't wish to really incriminate anybody but are you telling me that you are getting by with out gravy?

 

[treemandan]

Its not like I am trying to make a mockery of the job. This year I hired 2 guys for a total of 6 days, Blakes came for 3. I would imagine if I actually did hire someone on a more steady basis I would tightened things up.

 

[Plasmech]

So we've got a lot of naysayers regarding this Poplar job, well maybe not "a lot" but one very prominent one without argument. I'm sure this is SOLELY because nobody wants to see The Dan get screwed, sued, and tattooed. Everybody here is looking out for The Dan's best interest and even mine to some extent. We must go through all the proper channels, go through the gov't created bureaucracy, cross the t's and dot the i's befose firing up a saw so you guys don't worry.

But, right after we come down off our acid trip, we quickly realize that nobody here gives a #### about anybody's welfare (business wise). It's all me me, I I. Oh no, look, this guy is cheating, he's taking away MY business. I, me myself and I, could have done that job and this hack, this weekend warrior, this guy with a day job and a steady income came in and took it from me. Desipte the fact that the US is a capitalist society, one that men died to create and still die to preserve each day, let's pretend its not. Let's keep everything FAIR, fair meaning me me, I, I get all the work, that's fair, I should get all the work without even trying, without having any type of competetive edge, no matter how crazy of an edge I have.

Whatever. Try to figure out who I am, cry to the local "authorities" (I hate that word) and tell them little Plas who does take-downs with a tree stand is taking your work one tiny piece at a time and it's not fair. You've been in this business a lot longer, infinitely longer than me, how dare I try to start something from scratch. This is what almost every negative post pertaning either directly or indirectly to me has been about from day one.

You rip on the Dan, say he's arrogant and what not. OK maybe he is. Maybe he has a little swagger. But did you ever think he might have earned it? He's capable of doing things that the VAST majority of people cannot do. Kinda like an airline pilot. I relate everything to aircraft by the way.

So in the future, instead of spamming up a post about 4 freaking poplar trees, frigging TREES man, just send me a PM telling me I'm an #######, I'm taking milk away from your baby, threaten to kill me, whatever. Save the forum a lot of bad reading.

Again this post only applies to a few people, not everybody.

And by the way, the chances of me ever representing any REAL financial threat to anybody in here is very slim and everybody knows that.