60cc Awesomeness, who is king?

[Frank Rizzo]

You are missing the point. A chainsaw (even modern ones) are simplistic tools. Two stroke motor, clutch, chain, oiler. Ad a few associated parts. Chainsaws haven't really changed, with last last real breakthrough being the chain we still use today. Everything else is really just an upgrade of the same old design. Sure lots of improvements over time make a big deal, but the original idea is still prevelent. The Musk thing was just throwing a company name or person out there, but if you think someone who developed and sold an electric car (also one of the fastest excelerating) couldn't develop something as simple as a chainsaw to out perform what's available, you have an inflated opinion on what the current companies are providing. There is no tougher market to break into then the auto market. Fact.

Yah , me thinks it’s a lot more expensive to bring a “simple tool “ to market than most think ... epa regs ; safety regs , tooling;castings etc ; I agree though that if someone took all the good from each brand and combined it into one saw ,they could commanda higher price ... that company wood dominate the Saw market! It’s probably in the millions or tens of millions to launch a new saw think about it !

 

[SmellyPirateHooker]

I thought this was the best 60cc saw not the best company making a 60cc saw. My fault

 

[SmellyPirateHooker]

Yah , me thinks it’s a lot more expensive to bring a “simple tool “ to market than most think ... epa regs ; safety regs , tooling;castings etc ; I agree though that if someone took all the good from each brand and combined it into one saw ,they could commanda higher price ... that company wood dominate the Saw market! It’s probably in the millions or tens of millions to launch a new saw think about it !

Again, the guy broke into the auto market. Please tell me you really arnt saying the saw market would be as hard, or even in the same realm.

 

[holeycow]

I thought this was the best 60cc saw not the best company making a 60cc saw. My fault

I guess that’s all in the interpretation of “who”

 

[weimedog]

I have three 562's. First an old "logger used" 2014 model, starts runs and restarts fine, a bit tired with piston rattle. I figure I'll run it until it grenades. Need pyrotechnics for the video channel...but still waiting. My first modded 562, was a blend of the first edition 2012-13 top end decked with a popup piston. Muffler modded, basically what is now my typical "HTSS" build on them. Its a bread and butter saw for me. When the video camera is off, its one of two saws that does most of my work. into year two on what was already high hour parts. It does have a new 6 screw bottom end and an el48 carb. Love that saw. They there is the other build which is essentially a Husqvarna 560 or Jonsered 2260. Done "HTSS" style with a decked cylinder, cut covers, and muffler mod. It's reason to exist is light weight (Sugihara 18in bar and its a small mount set of cases from a 555), and it too is an excellent running saw with no issues of any kind. Did a little video with all three a while back.....how to start an Autotune...

I have yet to see an Echo in this area. Several dealers carry them, I'm assuming because of the Koritz roots they are well done, just no one buys them here.

 

[holeycow]

Again, the guy broke into the auto market. Please tell me you really arnt saying the saw market would be as hard, or even in the same realm.

Not as hard, financially. Harder wrt brand loyalty.

 

[weimedog]

AND I did a "start" race with some of the saws having sat in the back of the truck for quite a while...which one "won"

 

[SmellyPirateHooker]

Not as hard, financially. Harder wrt brand loyalty.

Not at all, let me help

Use the American market first, we have an obsession with power and speed. Make your saws dominant in both, and highly modifiable. Hand them out to the right people and let the videos flow.
Now set up a dealer network.
The fact of the matter is if I made a 60cc saw 20% more powerful then what is available people in the US will buy it. Ill be first in line.

 

[holeycow]

Put all those saws away weimedog. Run the piss out of the blue one. Put all your sawtime on the blue one. See what happens. Your back, not mine. Ha!

Inquiring minds want to know.

Enjoy your vids, btw!

 

[holeycow]

Not at all, let me help

Use the American market first, we have an obsession with power and speed. Make your saws dominant in both, and highly modifiable. Hand them out to the right people and let the videos flow.
Now set up a dealer network.
The fact of the matter is if I made a 60cc saw 20% more powerful then what is available people in the US will buy it. Ill be first in line.

You don’t need more power, all you need is outrageous dawgs, an oversized bar, and a catchy name, like smellypiratehookersawz or something like that...

And hire the Echo Cheerleading Squad to market it!

 

[SmellyPirateHooker]

I have three 562's. First an old "logger used" 2014 model, starts runs and restarts fine, a bit tired with piston rattle. I figure I'll run it until it grenades. Need pyrotechnics for the video channel...but still waiting. My first modded 562, was a blend of the first edition 2012-13 top end decked with a popup piston. Muffler modded, basically what is now my typical "HTSS" build on them. Its a bread and butter saw for me. When the video camera is off, its one of two saws that does most of my work. into year two on what was already high hour parts. It does have a new 6 screw bottom end and an el48 carb. Love that saw. They there is the other build which is essentially a Husqvarna 560 or Jonsered 2260. Done "HTSS" style with a decked cylinder, cut covers, and muffler mod. It's reason to exist is light weight (Sugihara 18in bar and its a small mount set of cases from a 555), and it too is an excellent running saw with no issues of any kind. Did a little video with all three a while back.....how to start an Autotune...

I have yet to see an Echo in this area. Several dealers carry them, I'm assuming because of the Koritz roots they are well done, just no one buys them here.

I almost went with the Sugi bar, but went the Tsumura at the last second. One thing I can say is a negative for the echo is the crappy bar selection. Cannon is making them but there's always a wait it seems. Thank God their bar adapters are usually always in stock. This is a medium mount Stihl bar

 

[hseII]

Bag pics?

I am slow,I don’t get it?

A bovine from the great white North?

There can’t be 2 of them can there?


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[holeycow]

ps, I just cut those silly Dolmar 5105 dawgs down to size yesterday. I couldn’t stand them on my saw like that anymore.

 

[hseII]

Just don't understand, both my 562, one that thin legs did and my new one start and restart fine. Great lakes tree has 3 new ones now and he would be bitching to me if he had problems. He ran 2015 models also with no problems . As far as above builder goes, his opinion on Huskys no longer matters to me. Will port your saw, says he likes them, on video, then bad mouth them. True professional. Really does not matter what brand as long as owner is happy and it performs task well.

I believe his more recent experiences have soured him on the 562s.

 

[SmellyPirateHooker]

I think we can all agree weimedog needs to mount one of those Mercs on a saw.

Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it.

 

[holeycow]

A bovine from the great white North?

There can’t be 2 of them can there?


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There’s a whole bunch of them out in a blizzard as we speak. Full hay started yesterday after a very nice, unseasonable October which was preceded by a ridiculous September with snowstorms and such. We had frost every month of the year this year.

 

[holeycow]

When that 620 has heat and air filter options and better antivibe (like not from the early 90’s) and true pro support and when hell freezes over, it will enter the pro market.

Meanwhile, I’ll get one while the gettins good. I have plenty of time...

 

[SmellyPirateHooker]

When that 620 has heat and air filter options and better antivibe (like not from the early 90’s) and true pro support and when hell freezes over, it will enter the pro market.

Meanwhile, I’ll get one while the gettins good. I have plenty of time...

Wow now you're adding antivibe to what's bad on the 620? It's like your rants are evolving to suit this ever evolving post.

You would be the first person ever I've seen complain about the 620s anti vibe and I seriously have not a single idea of what you are talking about. I wouldn't say it's any better or any worse then any of the other saws mentioned. I'm guessing it's because you think that 590 you own is the 620. Guess that composite handle on the 590 transfers more vibe then the aluminum one on the 620.

 

[holeycow]

Ya, sorry I guess I got carried away. The antivibe is ok, especially after I taped the handle. It is not up the the same standards as the Stihls or Husky’s tho. And yes, this is the 590. I bet that 620 is a very nice saw, for all its shortcomings. Ha!

My 420 is smoother, my 5105 is smoother, my ms362 is smoother, my 1986 and 1987 590 Jonny’s are almost as smooth, and so is my 262xp almost as smooth (as the echo 590)

 

[SmellyPirateHooker]

Sounds like you suffer from what many 590 owners suffer from, 620 envy. I would run out and get one fast before it causes serious and permanent damage.