60cc Awesomeness, who is king?

[August76]

I eat cookies & can’t race for chit so I don’t give a flip about 2/10s of a second on a Can’t Stand.

2 out of 17 told me what I already knew concerning the last batch of 562s that went to Cottle lane.

As in 2 of the 17 brand new units that all rode together had to have their carbs sent back because they were faulty upon delivery.

Do the math: Come to find out it’s a reoccurring problem.

2/10 or 2 seconds faster on a Can’t Stand don’t mean nothing if the saw don’t start or restart.

Rule 1 of a gunfight- bring a reliable gun.

It’s the same thing with using a saw, whether it be a Feller, an Arborist, or a Firewood hack in New York filming with a go pro live from his Mama’s basement: if it doesn’t reliably start, the rest of it don’t even amount to a FABZ story.

when I bought my 372xp from the guy he had a 562 and I asked him about it and he told me you don't want to buy this thing it's no good he wasn't asking that much money for it either I think like $150

 

[Frank Rizzo]

I eat cookies & can’t race for chit so I don’t give a flip about 2/10s of a second on a Can’t Stand.

2 out of 17 told me what I already knew concerning the last batch of 562s that went to Cottle lane.

As in 2 of the 17 brand new units that all rode together had to have their carbs sent back because they were faulty upon delivery.

Do the math: Come to find out it’s a reoccurring problem.

2/10 or 2 seconds faster on a Can’t Stand don’t mean nothing if the saw don’t start or restart.

Rule 1 of a gunfight- bring a reliable gun.

It’s the same thing with using a saw, whether it be a Feller, an Arborist, or a Firewood producing / Black Cat in New York filming with an iPhone from the great outdoors ! if it doesn’t reliably start, the rest of it don’t even amount to a steaming pile of dung !.

fixed !

 

[holeycow]

Bag pics?

I am slow,I don’t get it?

 

[holeycow]

I have both. My 372 is almost new so I don't use it. Haha. So it's my back up saws back up

It seems I do the same with my ms362. It comes out when I want to run a Cadillac.

 

[holeycow]

I'm certainly not brand loyal. Dealer support? What's that? I probably will never buy a saw new I'll probably never have to worry about it and I fix my own stuff I rebuilt my 03 8 which had a burned-up piston. Nothing special but I certainly don't need dealer support I don't feel like getting butt ****ed by the Stihl dealer or the Husky dealer do you think Home Depot will fix my broken Echo haha
I have old echo cs60s super with a 26 inch oregon bar on it...it doesn't run though lol

Dealer support for a pro who needs to get to work is about parts on hand and availability of all accessories, including safety gear in odd sizes. It’s not necessarily about fixing saws.

Any decent saw shop should be able to get the boys out the door with EVERYTHING they need to work. It helps a lot when somebody at the shop is an ex-sawhand.

How many Echo “shops” have that capability?

 

[holeycow]

We use to sell echo but have always used Husky from the 188 days one for cutting timber, I’ve always liked the way they’ve felt myself. All the time I’ve cut timber out here I don’t think I’ve seen a faller use an echo not to say some haven’t it’s just rare.


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I’ve never seen an echo on a job since I started working in the woods in 1982. Not one. Ever. They have NO presence in the bush. Which obviously means they can’t possibly be King. The king rules all of his domain.

That’s why, in my mind there are only two companies who contend for 60cc king.

The Dolmar 6100 is the oddest feeling saw I have ever held. It might run nice (IDK), but it is excessively wide, the balance is weird and the front handle’s bends are too sharp for a proper 60cc saw (which is the upper end of a pure limbing/light bucking saw). A 60cc saw is supposed to handle, at the very least. That’s where the Husky comes in...

Maybe the problem is that I was holding green 6100’s? Do green saws feel funny?

 

[holeycow]

 

[Frank Rizzo]

 

[Frank Rizzo]

I eat cookies & can’t race for chit so I don’t give a flip about 2/10s of a second on a Can’t Stand.

2 out of 17 told me what I already knew concerning the last batch of 562s that went to Cottle lane.

As in 2 of the 17 brand new units that all rode together had to have their carbs sent back because they were faulty upon delivery.

Do the math: Come to find out it’s a reoccurring problem.

2/10 or 2 seconds faster on a Can’t Stand don’t mean nothing if the saw don’t start or restart.

Rule 1 of a gunfight- bring a reliable gun.

so the “almighty 562xp” has a nearly 12% failure rate (carb) straight from the factory? That’s not good ... not good at all ... great saw ... when/IF they run

 

[Franny K]

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That’s why, in my mind there are only two companies who contend for 60cc king.

The Dolmar 6100 is the oddest feeling saw I have ever held. It might run nice (IDK), but it is excessively wide, the balance is weird and the front handle’s bends are too sharp for a proper 60cc saw (which is the upper end of a pure limbing/light bucking saw). A 60cc saw is supposed to handle, at the very least. That’s where the Husky comes in...
....

for addressing the king issue.

Dolmar markets or did market when I got my 6100 that model as a felling and de-branching saw.

 

[Johnmn]

To the OP if your still reading this!
I have ran a lot of 60cc saws and more than just at a gtg! I log in the winter and run 3 saws a day usually and run 3-5 tanks through each daily. The 562 is impressive but I have had the sour taste put in my mouth. The Dolmar 6100 is stronger than the 362 and slightly slower than the 562, but it's built to last IMO!
In my experience the dolmars hold up just fine to everyday cutting, Stihl build quality with husky performance! I'm guessing guys that have issues breakings saws could break any brand of saw!

 

[Cliff R]

At one time or another I've ran all the saws listed by the OP except for the 6421. So my comments are based on direct experience not regurgitating something I read someplace.

Echo hit the 60cc market pretty hard, CS-590, CS-600P and CS-620. Leaving my brand loyalty behind and the fact that I work on power equipment for a living my vote for the best 60cc offering currently available is the CS-620PW. It may not be the most powerful as I've not timed tested it against any of the competition, but power to weight is excellent, ergonomics, smooth/broad/flat power curve, runs longer bars with good authority (tested it clear to 30"), fuel efficient and to date 100 percent dead solid reliable. I'd also add that the CS-620PW is very easy to work on, and one can remove the carburetor in less time than it took to type this.

For the average guy who needs a dead solid reliable 60cc offering and under $400 to spend get a CS-590. It sports many of the features of the Pro versions and a very well made saw. Just remove the limiters on the mixture screws, grind off the tabs, put them back on and give it some fuel. I like to remove some of the deflector on the muffler as well. Nothing out there in that CC range will cut as well for the money.

The "brand loyalty" thing will never let any Echo saw join the ranks with the commercial industry so don't expect to see them on too many job sites. I've introduced quite a few to folks in this area who do tree removal and/or cut a lot of tops, firewood, outdoor boilers for heating, etc, and to date they absolutely LOVE the CS-590 as a daily firewood saw.

One of my customers uses one as a ground saw for his crew, over 2 years now getting totally abused on a daily basis and working just fine.

Stihl and Husqvarna offer excellent 60cc Pro saws so they have the market covered pretty well and their offerings are good enough to keep out intruders. As for the "king", it will be one of those and not an Echo or any other "off brands".....IMHO......Cliff

 

[mountainlake]

but power to weight is excellent, ergonomics, smooth/broad/flat power curve, runs longer bars with good authority (tested it clear to 30"), fuel efficient and to date 100 percent dead solid reliable. I'd also add that the CS-620PW is very easy to work on, and one can remove the carburetor in less time than it took to type this.

I've sold a lot of Echo saws to customers that I let run the,, most were running Stihl and Husky pro models and some lower level saws. . They sell themselves. Steve

 

[holeycow]

Because they are generally inexpensive.

 

[mountainlake]

No because when tuned right they cut good, handle great and have a wide power band, and yes they are the best value saw made. Steve

 

[holeycow]

And they have a FIVE YEAR WARRANTY!

Except when you tune them to run.

Oh well.

 

[SmellyPirateHooker]

Yah Elon Musk couldn’t build a saw to save his life ! Look at Tesla ; the Boring company; solar city ... he needs to put down the bong ![/QU

Yah Elon Musk couldn’t build a saw to save his life ! Look at Tesla ; the Boring company; solar city ... he needs to put down the bong !

You are missing the point. A chainsaw (even modern ones) are simplistic tools. Two stroke motor, clutch, chain, oiler. Ad a few associated parts. Chainsaws haven't really changed, with last last real breakthrough being the chain we still use today. Everything else is really just an upgrade of the same old design. Sure lots of improvements over time make a big deal, but the original idea is still prevelent. The Musk thing was just throwing a company name or person out there, but if you think someone who developed and sold an electric car (also one of the fastest excelerating) couldn't develop something as simple as a chainsaw to out perform what's available, you have an inflated opinion on what the current companies are providing. There is no tougher market to break into then the auto market. Fact.

 

[Deleted member 117362]

I eat cookies & can’t race for chit so I don’t give a flip about 2/10s of a second on a Can’t Stand.

2 out of 17 told me what I already knew concerning the last batch of 562s that went to Cottle lane.

As in 2 of the 17 brand new units that all rode together had to have their carbs sent back because they were faulty upon delivery.

Do the math: Come to find out it’s a reoccurring problem.

2/10 or 2 seconds faster on a Can’t Stand don’t mean nothing if the saw don’t start or restart.

Rule 1 of a gunfight- bring a reliable gun.

It’s the same thing with using a saw, whether it be a Feller, an Arborist, or a Firewood hack in New York filming with a go pro live from his Mama’s basement: if it doesn’t reliably start, the rest of it don’t even amount to a FABZ story.

Just don't understand, both my 562, one that thin legs did and my new one start and restart fine. Great lakes tree has 3 new ones now and he would be bitching to me if he had problems. He ran 2015 models also with no problems . As far as above builder goes, his opinion on Huskys no longer matters to me. Will port your saw, says he likes them, on video, then bad mouth them. True professional. Really does not matter what brand as long as owner is happy and it performs task well.

 

[Frank Rizzo]

And they have a FIVE YEAR WARRANTY!

Except when you tune them to run.

Oh well.

And when you bring in for the “5-year” warranty the response is always “bad gas” wtf ? Another thread on this ....https://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/echo-cs-490-dead-after-11-5-months.325447/unread

 

[holeycow]

Don’t get the Echo Cheerleading Squad going...