Filing a standard chisel or semi chisel chain at 90° is basically a milling chain, works well enough cutting with the grain but not so effectively across the grain.
Mark
Mark
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Weyerhaeuser had the biggest dog in the fight when it came to cutting after the eruption. They went with chain that had a carbide chip on it. It was the only thing that would keep an edge at all. Their biggest problem was with the chain frame stretching, bars, and bar tips blowing out. The ash and the bar lube would make a slurry that was extremely abrasive. Old style Windsor bars got real popular because of the long engagement tang on the tip, you didn't need to rivet it on. Guys were changing their tips without taking the bar off the saw because they dropped like flies.
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Gregg
Weyerhaeuser had the biggest dog in the fight when it came to cutting after the eruption. They went with chain that had a carbide chip on it. It was the only thing that would keep an edge at all. Their biggest problem was with the chain frame stretching, bars, and bar tips blowing out. The ash and the bar lube would make a slurry that was extremely abrasive. Old style Windsor bars got real popular because of the long engagement tang on the tip, you didn't need to rivet it on. Guys were changing their tips without taking the bar off the saw because they dropped like flies.
Regards
Gregg
That is the exact same chain I used when milling with my J'reds 920. Every once in awhile I would make a crosscut with it rather than swap back to a full or semi chisel. As I recall, it was very smooth. Whether it was faster or slower, I don't really know. It may have seemed faster because of the smoothness.
Great thread!! Very interesting info!!
Received the piece of chain sent by the OP. Thank you very much! It's nice to have a new, clean piece to show!
Philbert
Philbert
Big_Wood
westcoast dweller
man, i don't get real excited about chain often but i just want to try this chain. i remember seeing it on an old mcculloch years ago but one look at it and thought it would be a POS. i should have saved it.
Bump.
Nathan had a partial roll of this at his GTG in Iowa, so the topic came up again. I don't have any photos that show the chain better than those posted above.
Philbert
Nathan had a partial roll of this at his GTG in Iowa, so the topic came up again. I don't have any photos that show the chain better than those posted above.
Philbert
The word on Kolve chain from Wayne Sutton was that when new, out of the box, it would cut good. After a few filings, the wings would start breaking off in the cut and would ruin the rest of the chain. It fell out of popularity due to the expense of it (the chain only lasting for a few tanks.)
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My dad used the HP Kolve chain (like I sent to Philbert) extensively and I don't remember that ever being a problem for him. He never wanted to throw anything out if it could still be used and he would use it until he couldn't anymore. He absolutely loved the chain. If he would have experienced problems like you described, I guarantee he would not have had a favorable opinion of it.
I'm sure some people had good experiences with it- Wayne sold it new in his shop for several years and said he stopped carrying it for the reasons mentioned above. I usually defer on those questions to Wayne since he's a proven subject matter expert. I have no personal experience with running Kolve chain in the woods.
Different wood. Different saws. Different conditions. Different preferences.
Heck, if we all agreed, Darin wouldn't have a site . . . .
Philbert
Heck, if we all agreed, Darin wouldn't have a site . . . .
Philbert
See Post #29.
Probably lots of variations, and maybe more than one manufacturer with 'similar' chain.
Philbert
Sometimes we overlook the obvious.
Was looking at a piece of Kolve chain today and noted that the cutters are all integrated into the drive links; even the Right and Left 'conventional' ones. Kind of obvious when you look at it, but I was more interested in the 'Y'-shaped cutters. It would seem that this would reduce any pulling of the chain to one side or the other, at least theoretically. But it makes me wonder why cutters on conventional chains are configured more like tie straps.
Looking back at some 'scratcher' chains, and even some old chain patents, show many variations on this.
https://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/scratcher-chain.271236/
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3745870A/en?oq=3745870
Philbert
Was looking at a piece of Kolve chain today and noted that the cutters are all integrated into the drive links; even the Right and Left 'conventional' ones. Kind of obvious when you look at it, but I was more interested in the 'Y'-shaped cutters. It would seem that this would reduce any pulling of the chain to one side or the other, at least theoretically. But it makes me wonder why cutters on conventional chains are configured more like tie straps.
Looking back at some 'scratcher' chains, and even some old chain patents, show many variations on this.
https://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/scratcher-chain.271236/
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3745870A/en?oq=3745870
Philbert
Yotaismygame
Juiced Saws #GetJuiced
Interesting read. Couple years ago I bought some bars from an old faller who had done work up there after the eruption. I specifically remember him telling me about the difficult conditions.
I heard DB Cooper still has a supply of that chain up in the PNW. If you hit him up on the sideband CB you can get ahold of him and he will sell you a loop or 2.Sure he did not trade it to Bigfoot for some jerky?
Philbert
Philbert
Someone offered me most of a roll of ".404 skip chain" in Baraboo last August.
It is .404, it is skip, but it is also in the style of the Kolve chain.
It is also quite sharp...
Mark
It is .404, it is skip, but it is also in the style of the Kolve chain.
It is also quite sharp...
Mark
Very cool! Are those low kickback bumpers in front of the 'Y'-cutters?
Shows how many different configurations there can be out there.
Philbert
Shows how many different configurations there can be out there.
Philbert
You have any of this chain left? Looking for 3/8 050 in a 70 or 81 link loop for vintage saw. Hahaha love these old threads nothing like bringing then back to life.
This came in a collection of stuff from the same man, two years later...
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