Advice for new climber please

[alpineman]

When I originally posted in thread I assumed we were talking about spikes = removals and no spikes = trimming. I hope we aren't talking about trimming with spikes on!!!!! If that is the case we need to go back to the 101 forum and talk about proper pruning techniques. Just wondering......

 

[Cletis Oaks]

If you were the feller asking about climbing and spikes I know you Know better than that cause being around the biz as long as ya said ya wer yud know the difference between a tree thats coming down and a tree that someone wants pruned, who the hell wood woodpecker the s@#$ outa a trunk and say they made it look beter. Than again ive seen woodpeckers do allot a good (dont wanta piss off the little peckerheads)

 

[pdqdl]

... From my personal experience of being trained on gaffs and being taught that my rope was mainly for rappelling I regret that I had not learned to rope climb first.

:agree2:

 

[treeslayer]

Ha ha thats some good s@#$ tree slayer depending on the HO Id have to say and you would probabley agree hell ya I wood!:taped:

at least you're honest....

Not good to badmouth skilled removal only guys, or good pruning guys, and people better respect the hell out of those of us who are both.

Ive seen a lot of guys who are hell on wheels (fast, and skilled in rigging) on spikes. I've also seen (but not as many) some very skilled spikeless pruners, who follow a different mentality, and are out of neccessity more thorough.

What matters is how professional we act, in all aspects of this business,
and remember this, ANYBODY CAN TYPE.....

 

[Sunrise Guy]

I thought it was pretty good advice actually. Maybe not the best for what the op is trying to do, but good advice in general for training a new climber. Pruning spikeless, with a handsaw, is imo, the best way to get the feel for things (body positioning for a cut, etc.). Then maybe move up to spikes and chainsaw, on say a simple conifer takedown.

Very good advice. Ropes first, spikes much later as you get used to getting around in a tree and come to understand all of the little things that can go wrong, up there.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

IMO it is better for a climber to learn to trust the rope & saddle before learning anything else. I always put a new guy in a crab or small Norway maple so that they get used to being off the ground.

Learning at-height puts too many variables into the equation. I will often tie them to the saddle with a double half-titch and bo'lin. They do not get a carabiner till they learn to tie it themselves.

I would recommend against trying to learn a lot of knots at once, learn how to tie off to your saddle and one rigging hitch; say a clove/ half hitch...Add to it as you go.

 

[pdqdl]

...
and remember this, ANYBODY CAN TYPE.....

I can't agree with that.

A bunch of fellas hangin' around this site sound like their girlfriend/wife/mother is posting all their comments. Then there are all the folks that can hit the keyboard, but they are not real precise about where their fingers land.

I suspect that a lot of guys are using voice recognition to do their typing, too. Sound-alike words keep popping up. Wood...would seems to have been in a great deal of conflict recently!

 

[pdqdl]

Very good advice. Ropes first, spikes much later as you get used to getting around in a tree and come to understand all of the little things that can go wrong, up there.

I tried to teach a very hard-working young man to climb without spikes as a first approach. He was impatient, and thought it was a waste of time.

He would have been an excellent climber, too, if only I had the opportunity to keep him away from his socially disadvantaged relatives.

 

[treeslayer]

I can't agree with that.

A bunch of fellas hangin' around this site sound like their girlfriend/wife/mother is posting all their comments. Then there are all the folks that can hit the keyboard, but they are not real precise about where their fingers land.

I suspect that a lot of guys are using voice recognition to do their typing, too. Sound-alike words keep popping up. Wood...would seems to have been in a great deal of conflict recently!

Dragon software, that would explain a lot...:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Cletis Oaks]

I can't agree with that.

A bunch of fellas hangin' around this site sound like their girlfriend/wife/mother is posting all their comments. Then there are all the folks that can hit the keyboard, but they are not real precise about where their fingers land.

I suspect that a lot of guys are using voice recognition to do their typing, too. Sound-alike words keep popping up. Wood...would seems to have been in a great deal of conflict recently!

Not a bad idea atall. Ive been wrenching on gravel trains fer aboot a dozen years and itell ya what that cutn torches mallets and one inch impacts beatn the s@#$ outa yer bones amongst many other tings. I figured itwas perty darn creative using Wood fer Would yer jus a hater. What one of them voice thigamajigers run any who it WOOD be a heck of allot easier fer me than typin lett me tell ya.

 

[Cletis Oaks]

Herd that I did

:newbie:

at least you're honest....

Not good to badmouth skilled removal only guys, or good pruning guys, and people better respect the hell out of those of us who are both.

Ive seen a lot of guys who are hell on wheels (fast, and skilled in rigging) on spikes. I've also seen (but not as many) some very skilled spikeless pruners, who follow a different mentality, and are out of neccessity more thorough.

What matters is how professional we act, in all aspects of this business,
and remember this, ANYBODY CAN TYPE.....

 

[Cletis Oaks]

yup heard that i did

:newbie: S@#$ ya KNOT seen a FELLER sixty years young prun'n and man was he up thar spikeless. Gott a chance to bs with him a bitt on a job I was haul'n topsoil ta said he couldnt use the spikes no more everything bellow his waist was shot guy was dam near a crip can ya beleive it @ that age prun'n and nut'n but yer upper body. He's still doin it and he looked smoother than all the guys Ive seen up thar even my pops when he was still in his prime. Wish I could remember his name thats a guy I WOOD want to sitt down wit and hav aboot three dozen beers with.

 

[jefflovstrom]

:newbie: S@#$ ya KNOT seen a FELLER sixty years young prun'n and man was he up thar spikeless. Gott a chance to bs with him a bitt on a job I was haul'n topsoil ta said he couldnt use the spikes no more everything bellow his waist was shot guy was dam near a crip can ya beleive it @ that age prun'n and nut'n but yer upper body. He's still doin it and he looked smoother than all the guys Ive seen up thar even my pops when he was still in his prime. Wish I could remember his name thats a guy I WOOD want to sitt down wit and hav aboot three dozen beers with.

You are an idiot, and not the funny kind. What is your problem?
Jeff

 

[treemaninmo]

buy "the tree climbers companion" book and dont spike trees unless they r coming out

The tree climbers companion is the best place to learn everything needed to get off the ground just what ever you do start low and slow get comfortable 10-15 feet off the ground before you try to get tricky

 

[justme23005]

I just found this on craigslist, and thought of this thread. its NOT Mine




Chainsaw, Tree climbing gear, Ropes, Saddle, Sling, Pulleys,Spikes etc

 

[Cletis Oaks]

You are an idiot, and not the funny kind. What is your problem?
Jeff

Thanx Jefflovstom!:hmm3grin2orange: Now thats funny s@#$

 

[jefflovstrom]

Thanx Jefflovstom!:hmm3grin2orange: Now thats funny s@#$

I knew you would appreciate it Cletis smallfeetis!
Jeff :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[TreeClimber57]

We're in a bit different worlds Beowulf and you very rightly have a grudge against the school trained keyboard climbers that sign up with your company. Here, my company is the only one that trims without spikes. The majority of "climbers" near me don't have a clue how to climb without their spurs, hence the "crutch" comment. I'm not throwing out spikes as evil, in all honesty, I'm much better on gaffs than I am with prunes, I , like you look at them like any other tool in the box. There are times they help, and times they're unnecessary. From my personal experience of being trained on gaffs and being taught that my rope was mainly for rappelling I regret that I had not learned to rope climb first.

I agree, learning with both would be optimal. But spurless climbing is essential. I learned by climbing on spurs, and can still do better with them than without.
But, I have learned and mastered both, just wished I had the opportunity to do spurless earlier in life and would likely be better now.

 

[TreeClimber57]

:newbie: S@#$ ya KNOT seen a FELLER sixty years young prun'n and man was he up thar spikeless. Gott a chance to bs with him a bitt on a job I was haul'n topsoil ta said he couldnt use the spikes no more everything bellow his waist was shot guy was dam near a crip can ya beleive it @ that age prun'n and nut'n but yer upper body. He's still doin it and he looked smoother than all the guys Ive seen up thar even my pops when he was still in his prime. Wish I could remember his name thats a guy I WOOD want to sitt down wit and hav aboot three dozen beers with.

WTF.. ??

:looser:

 

[jefflovstrom]

Yup, another dumbazz!
Jeff