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FindingRhino

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I want to buy a chainsaw with about a $185 target budget. Narrowed my search to either a HUSQVARNA 142 w/16in or an ECHO CS-346 as these units are available now. The Echo has been pick by a lot of arborist here and the Husq 142 is a new? model so not many have evaluated/used it. I'm torn on which one to buy? Any help?
 
Saw

Just purchased the new husky 137, just a tit smaller, but close. The wife has been running it for 2 or 3 weeks now and loves it. below is a list of good/bad

Pros:
Good power
starts easily
relatively light
excellent vibration dampening
case seems pretty durable
good safety features, safety chain, chain brake, good grips
Good on gas/oil

Cons:
Chain has already popped off one time
Bar is very thin and flimsy
not very modifiable
seems to have a little hesitation in rev, could be a carb adjustment no biggie
Could have a little more torque in the low end
Not alot of data out about it yet as the saw is a newer model

Hope this helps about the husky. Don't know about the Echo
 
Welcome to AS. :greenchainsaw:

Give us a little more to go on.

Buying from whom? For what type of cutting? Those are both just trim saws for the most part. They are not firewood saws.

$185? I hope this isn't you're complete budget. You'll need some safety equipment - even for a small saw, and lube, mix, spare chain, etc...

If you've just been sniffing around at Home Depot and Lowes I'd recommend going to a couple of saw shops instead, take a few minutes and ask questions there and see who you might want to trade with.

A saw shop can set you up w/ the saw ready to go and show you how to operate it so you don't have to read the manual (though you still should). They sell better chains, bars, etc... and when you need something (like a new bar after one gets crushed, new filter, fuel line, bar nut, etc...) a good dealer will save you from killing an employee at the 'other' stores and winding up in prison over a $8 part...

Honestly, give your local dealers a opportunity. Don't just call - swing by and check out thier inventory.
 
Buy the Stihl MS170. It has more power than the Echo unit and costs less.:cheers:
 
Just Mow said:
Buy the Stihl MS170. It has more power than the Echo unit and costs less.:cheers:


Going off the info.

ms180: 1.9hp 8.8lbs
142:2.6hp 10.1lbs

So......... Whatcha wanna cut with it?
Andy
 
sawinredneck said:
Going off the info.

ms180: 1.9hp 8.8lbs
142:2.6hp 10.1lbs

So......... Whatcha wanna cut with it?
Andy

142 is 2.2 hp and dang heavy for it!

MS180 has the quick chain adjust which I've actually heard good things about but have never used. I think I'd rather have quick adjust than front adjust - which is something I do not like about my Echo CS3000...

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wagonwheeler said:
142 is 2.2 hp and dang heavy for it!

MS180 has the quick chain adjust which I've actually heard good things about but have never used. I think I'd rather have quick adjust than front adjust - which is something I do not like about my Echo CS3000...

..

I have the MS180, $200.00, and the quick chain adjuster is cool. Very nice
small saw, and plenty of grunt for small work.
 
dgfitz said:
I have the MS180, $200.00, and the quick chain adjuster is cool. Very nice
small saw, and plenty of grunt for small work.

Sounds like a good value. And the Stihl will probably come w/ a better chain than the Echo or Husky... That picco is some cuttin' stuff!

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Now I know which one to get... not! My cutting needs are small. Need to cut couple western juniper/cedar trees and gambel oak brush for a cabin site. The saw will be used later for firewood cutting to supply the not yet built cabin. (Firewood will be aspen pinion ponderosa) Firewood needs won't need to be large as access to cabin site is seasonal. I know my $185 buget is low for a decent saw. I'd be happy under $200. Info on my picks came from here, alamia, ebay, norwalk, and many other sites. Stihl is not sold online and I'm suprized the ms180 pick, as it is a smaller saw. I would think the stihl 210 would be the better choice for my needs? 210 price? Looked at the husk 340 But its just a little over buget@$235 online. I realize a local saw shop could set me up and service, but it comes with a $. +tax. l realize you get what you pay for, just trying to get the most dependable, best bang for my bugeted buck:hmm3grin2orange:

Echo-japan made Hus .. 2 year waranty (any good?) Stihl - an army of swear by users as the best.

Wagonwheelr... No I am not(and don't plan to be) a pain in the as* customer going postal over a $8 part..LOL

Thanks again all for your help.
 
FindingRhino, I have a 021 which is pretty much the same thing as the MS210. I love this little saw. It's nice and light. Mine has been 100% rock solid. There are a few down sides to it though. Price, they cost between $225 and $250. Air filter, you'll go through a lot of them compared to the Husky's. A Husky 340 @ $235 is a better deal then a Stihl MS210 @ the same price or even more.............IMHO that is!
 
Welcome to the site!

A couple other people have asked a nearly identical question in the past. Sometime I will have to compile the answers and put together a "chainsaw on a budget" webpage or something. But for the time being, a summary:

$200 is a popular number for a first saw, but it creates a couple challenges. First off, it is just a hair under the price at which you start (and just) to get into the realm of a small all-purpose saw. The saws you'll find at this pricepoint are usually very small saws, suitable for small trimming and limbing, but not particularly well-suited to firewood duties. If you can get by with them, though, then this isn't a problem.

Second, you NEED to factor in another hundred bucks for an extra loop or two of chain; files and a filing guide of some sort; bar oil and mix; and most importantly SOME DAMNED PROTECTIVE GEAR! I know I've had my close-calls and a couple little accidents and it scared me straight. By way of a more dramatic example, the older guy who lives across the street from my parents was kneeling on the ground flush-cutting a stump with an MS210 earlier this year and it kicked back and went straight through his jeans and into the meat below his kneecap. Suffice it to say, I bet the cost of those "expensive" saw chaps now seem like a worthwhile expense. OK, safety lecture over.

OK, back to your question: what to do? Assuming you're settled on a new saw, I'd get some proper protective gear and a good, LIGHT, inexpensive saw. If, down the line, you decide that you need a bigger saw, then you'll already have a little saw for small tasks and as a back-up saw.

I'm a big fan of the little old-style Echos (30x and 34x series), and you can get them at good prices new-in-box on eBay, especially on the CS346. With a few corrections for what the factory did wrong and a bit of opening up of the muffler, they are a heck of a value. They are not the fastest saws around, however they're durable as can be, tolerate neglect well, and are LIGHT!!!!! The rear-handle saws are better all-around machines, but I put this one together for about $200 net of buying a new bar/chains/tensioner and reselling the INTENZ bar and chain that came with the saw on eBay.

CS3400.jpg


The little Stihls are also good saws, though they're not as light as the Echos. They're surprisingly peppy cutters with their narrow chain, though it is somewhat harder to hand-sharpen those mini-cutters than the cutters on regular low-profile 3/8" chain. I've used a couple MS180s before and have been pleased with their performance in smaller wood. The 210 is a decent little saw, too, though it is bigger and heavier.

If you have the patience and if you're comfortable buying used, you can get a lot more saw for your dollar in the form of a good used saw. I picked my current Stihl 026Pro, pictured below, up for about $200 from another arboristsite member. It has been a flawless performer and it is a LOT more saw than anything you could buy new for $200. Similarly, I recently sold a very clean 026 that I didn't need, along with a new Stihl bar and chain, for a hair more than your present saw budget. So unless you're intent on buying new, I'd give some consideration to a quality used saw.

026Pro.jpg
 
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WooHooo! Just won, eBay style, New In Box Echo CS-346. $2 bucks under my original budget. Thats 2 bucks toward the extra chains/files/ and most important! safety gear I'll need. Santa is coming soon, maybe he'll bring me some saw'n goodies. (hint hint to my wife as she's look'n over my shoulder).

Thanks all, this has been just some plain o fun:yoyo:
 
FindingRhino said:
WooHooo! Just won, eBay style, New In Box Echo CS-346. $2 bucks under my original budget. Thats 2 bucks toward the extra chains/files/ and most important! safety gear I'll need. Santa is coming soon, maybe he'll bring me some saw'n goodies. (hint hint to my wife as she's look'n over my shoulder).

Thanks all, this has been just some plain o fun:yoyo:

Congrats! I think you'll be pleased with that saw.

Once you get hold of it, you will probably want to invest in some chain other than the Oregon 91VG that comes with it. This is low-kickback safety chain that uses guard links on the tie straps. It works OK, but you will find that something like Stihl PM or WoodsmanPro or even Oregon 91VS will cut more efficiently. And with smaller saws like your Echo, efficiency is key to getting the most out of the saw.

Also, if you elect to ditch the INTENZ bar, Bailey's has a couple nice looking bar/chain combos on sale presently. You don't need to do this immediately, this is just something that I have found to be worthwhile. Heck, some folks actually like the INTENZ bars. The only other part you'd need beyond a non-INTENZ bar is the conventional bar tensioner is the tensioner screw assembly, which costs about $7 and takes 5 minutes to swap in; Bailey's or any Echo dealer should be able to set you up. Incidentally, I sold my unused OEM ECHO-branded INTENZ bar and original chain off my most recent little Echo for $25 + shipping on eBay, if I recall.

Other than that, keep your chains sharp, your fuel mix fresh (and hi-octane) and be safe! Happy cutting!!
 
...and learn to use a file...

Figuring out how to file half-decently will totally change the way you use and enjoy your new tool. Save you a ton of $$ too, since you won't be at the saw shop buying chain every weekend.
 
FindingRhino said:
WooHooo! Just won, eBay style, New In Box Echo CS-346. $2 bucks under my original budget. Thats 2 bucks toward the extra chains/files/ and most important! safety gear I'll need. Santa is coming soon, maybe he'll bring me some saw'n goodies. (hint hint to my wife as she's look'n over my shoulder).

Thanks all, this has been just some plain o fun:yoyo:

Did the saw AND the shipping come in under your budget? Hope so. Some of these ebay sneaks make a killing by charging exorbitant shipping.:angry2:
 
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