Originally posted by rumination
So, Nick, for future reference, address others with a respectful tone (even if you don't respect them), and you will be more likely to get a more respectful response. It is from that point that constructive dialogue can begin. Trust me, I speak from experience.
Your points are well taken. And not being able to use body language and voice inflections when communicating makes it even harder. My point was not to lambast any particular person or group of people but to list some of the things that I've heard over the years on a tree crew and to share how that really bothered me. So I'm an aging whippersnapper.
I would imagine that other industries also have problems with accidents getting lumped together, but I don't have any experience with that. But climbers usually haul some brush in the course of the day, too - I'm sure many others here clean their own messes.
Believe me, I know what the people on this board are like, and I know what posts will bring a lot of responses - or a least learning what will. I know that the people here are far above the average in safety and knowledge which is why I thought people would understand and agree instead of take offense because I'm not pointing fingers at people here. I mean, I have 4 fingers pointing right back at me whenever I do that.
Safety is not a liability issue or a legal issue to me. It's a personal issue and a cause that I want to promote. To me, safety should be a topic at the forefront, and it usually is in these and other educated discussions. For example, someone asks about tautline vs. blake's vs. distal vs. swabish, etc. The responses often include comments about one being more likely to roll out versus the other, one being less likely to become a suic-slide knot, etc.
Netree touched on this, but it's the people that I've worked with myself who do dangerous things even though they go to the conferences and see fellow climbers using safer techniques. I'm just now switching to an advanced hitch, so I'm not at the forefront of any technology myself. I'm just commenting. I'm sorry if anyone is offended, I didn't intend to attack.