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[hseII]

I think that 'To Fell A Tree' is a better, all around book, especially for a beginner. Clear. Easy to read and understand.

Dent's book is well respected by professionals, but he goes into depth, with great detail, about cuts that most of us will never need to use.

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JMHO

Philbert

I agree completely.

Dent's discussion & photographs on bucking trees laying uphill, with compression wood due to laying over draws, etc., is very in depth, but some foundation is needed to grasp the points.

To Fell A Tree has been a good foundation for me: so much so that I have multiple copies of TFAT.

 

[Gypo Logger]

Another good publication is the Faller's and Buckers Handbook. Sometimes you can learn more from a book in a few hours than you can in 6 months hacking and slashing on your own.
In the end though, it's all about hard won experience. If it's in your blood chances are you will emerge thru the gauntlet relatively unscathed and still looking for more.

 

[Philbert]

People learn in different ways: Books. Pictures. Line drawings. Videos. Hands on. Watching others. Mentors. Mistakes. Failures. Small successes. . . .

Different amounts at different times.

As long as they are open to learning.

Philbert

 

[Gypo Logger]

That's a whole lot easier than trigonometry!

Philbert

Speaking of math, I'm in need again of a mathamagician.
Im making a 44 litre batch of bush beer and I need to know how much priming sugar I need if 750 ml takes one teaspoon. Priming sugar is what makes the co2 in the bottled refreshment, so I need the correct answer so that the bottles don't explode. Budweiser is a waste of water. Lol

 

[KiwiBro]

44/.75=58.6667 tsp x 4.2 grams =246.4 grams

 

[Gypo Logger]

People learn in different ways: Books. Pictures. Line drawings. Videos. Hands on. Watching others. Mentors. Mistakes. Failures. Small successes. . . .

Different amounts at different times.

As long as they are open to learning.

Philbert

Very true!
Wisdom is knowledge in action.

 

[Marshy]

44/.75=58.6667 tsp x 4.2 grams =246.4 grams

453.6 grams in a pound so 0.543 lbs

 

[Gypo Logger]

44/.75=58.6667 tsp x 4.2 grams =246.4 grams

453.6 grams in a pound so 0.543 lbs

Thanks for the quick answers fellas, I was hoping for and answer in volume as opposed to weight. Wonder what it would be in cups? My last batch was a little under carbed.
Sorry about getting off topic, but if I add too much sugar this thread could end up being a stickie. Lol

 

[Tenderfoot]

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=teaspoons+to+cups

 

[Marshy]

Thanks for the quick answers fellas, I was hoping for and answer in volume as opposed to weight. Wonder what it would be in cups? My last batch was a little under carbed.
Sorry about getting off topic, but if I add too much sugar this thread could end up being a stickie. Lol

2-1/4 cups per lb so 1-1/8 cups.

 

[Westboastfaller]

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

My substandard skills have become mediocre because of this book alone.

Why didn't you just ask and I would have wrote yout two books..lol
I quoted you last Wed night and started something pretty long and in depth, It started out about the diamond/triangle cut but it goes into how you go about the cuts, general cuts. Some real deal chit. I copied it for now, It's a tough post to make..... Maybe my toughest post ever.
Wedging is easy to talk about, but explaining 'the body' is Dam hard.

Comming soon to a theatre near you

 

[hseII]

Why didn't you just ask and I would have wrote yout two books..lol
I quoted you last Wed night and started something pretty long and in depth, It started out about the diamond/triangle cut but it goes into how you go about the cuts, general cuts. Some real deal chit. I copied it for now, It's a tough post to make..... Maybe my toughest post ever.
Wedging is easy to talk about, but explaining 'the body' is Dam hard.

Comming soon to a theatre near you

Please Share.

 

[Westboastfaller]

Makes sense - it's the ratio of two similar triangles:
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WL/D = CD/H

The "Triangles" will always be the same when W = H
(Width definition: Back of tree to back of undercut) Its always a 1 to 1 ratio
As long as lift is greater than offset displacement at a 1 to 1 ratio it will pass COG. Providing it's not branch heavy to the back side. Marshy worked out that exact example; 12" back cut to pivot + 1" lift and it was just under 5°. That could prove to be helpful for me considering I can use my 5° ; 10" K & H wedges by holding the bottom of the wedges and straight arming them in front of me with the inside plumb and one eye closed standing on one foot chewing Wrigely's Spearmint Gum; I can convert my 1 to 1 ratios to degrees based off of now knowing a 12" back cut to undercut at a 1" WL = 5° offset.
At a 6" wedging point to pivot, (sideways wedging) the degrees doubles to 10° and 2ft undercut to pivot would be 2.5 °.
1" lift will correct them all to either plump or horizontal.
Or if they were all 5° then the '2ft backcut' would take a 2" lift and at a 6" wedging point a 1/2" would accomplish the same.

Judgment on Branch offset weight/weight of species, wind AND additional top sag 'if you created the lean ( eg. tall,small diameter sets back) VS angle and wedging point distance in conjunction with tecneque, wedges and axe
Is all relevant to experience.

Today's fun problem:
If it took Buckin' Billy a 2.4 " wedge lift to fell the tree. The back of tree to pivot was 2ft,
Based on a 12" back cut to pivot with a 1" WL = 5°
How many hits did it take Billy. .
Srry no that's not it...lol

How many degrees was the back lean he would have had to overcome?

 

[Marshy]

Anyone read this yet?
http://www.arboristsite.com/communi...-cutting-trees-down-or-are-just-bored.305842/

 

[Westboastfaller]

Thnks..not yet..should take me a while

 

[Philbert]

How many degrees was the back lean he would have had to overcome?

And what was Billy's middle name?

Philbert

 

[Westboastfaller]

And what was Billy's middle name?

Philbert

So assuming we think Ray is his middle name I guess your are sayiing it's too easy to answer? It is pretty easy all right.
And the answer is?

 

[Chris-PA]

Today's fun problem:
If it took Buckin' Billy a 2.4 " wedge lift to fell the tree. The back of tree to pivot was 2ft,
Based on a 12" back cut to pivot with a 1" WL = 5°
How many hits did it take Billy. .
Srry no that's not it...lol

How many degrees was the back lean he would have had to overcome?

My assumption is that the tree fell when he got the COG just over center, therefore the entire 2.4" of wedge lift was what was required (11.3deg)

Still, this is 2017 and we don't do word problems this way anymore, so I have adapted it to more modern expectations:

Today's fun problem:
It took Singin' Sailly (who used to be Billy) a 2.4 " wedge lift to fell the tree. The back of tree to pivot was 2ft,
Based on a 12" back cut to pivot with a 1" WL = 5°
Sally had to had to overcome 11.3deg of back lean.

How did Sally feel about having to hit the wedge with a hammer? Please discuss, there are no wrong answers.

 

[Westboastfaller]

Please discuss, there are no wrong answers.

So 6° is right too?
Now we are realy making headway.

 

[KiwiBro]

My assumption is that the tree fell when he got the COG just over center, therefore the entire 2.4" of wedge lift was what was required (11.3deg)

Still, this is 2017 and we don't do word problems this way anymore, so I have adapted it to more modern expectations:

Today's fun problem:
It took Singin' Sailly (who used to be Billy) a 2.4 " wedge lift to fell the tree. The back of tree to pivot was 2ft,
Based on a 12" back cut to pivot with a 1" WL = 5°
Sally had to had to overcome 11.3deg of back lean.

How did Sally feel about having to hit the wedge with a hammer? Please discuss, there are no wrong answers.

My Answer:
Nowhere near as bad as the displaced Spotted Owl and its chicks that just lost their home.