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nomak

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What do you guys use to get rid of bees in the ground that have taken up home near your wood piles and splitting area. I dropped a truck load of wood off 2 days ago and there was not a single bee. today I go out to mow and run over a newly made small whole in the ground and then im being attacked by yellow jackets. This is second nest in my yard I have found in last 3 weeks. This one is much worse though for they were swarming pretty bad after running over them with lawn mower..
 
I mark where the hole is and come back after dark with about a pint of gas, not a one will make it out of the hole. I stick a funnel in the hole and dump the gas fast. Don't just splash it in the area, Joe.
 
Correctly finding the hole can be a problem.

I wiped out a yellow jacket nest around noon the other day that stung the heck out of my employees. They had been running brush cutters in the area, and they really got them stirred up.

When I showed up, they were still buzzing all around the area, but had become desensitized to any new assault on the nest. If they work anything like honeybees, they emit a pheromone when they are under attack, and this stimulates the hive to fly out and sting anything that moves.

After a long enough period of being under attack, they just keep flying around without seeming to know why. When I showed up with a $2.00 can of wasp & hornet killer, I carefully walked up to the nest (spraying some in a fog over the area), raked the cut brush out of the area in order to find the hole (while spraying some more over the area), and when I finally found the hole, I filled the nest. Problem solved!

My guys were standing around just hoping that I would get stung, too. I think they were both disappointed, impressed, and gratified. They wanted me to suffer along with them, but were impressed that I went into the sting zone and wiped out the nest. They all stepped back a long ways when I got the rake out.

They were very pleased to see me wipe out the nest. Revenge!

As rarefish pointed out, the after dark solution is safest. I usually ID the hole in daylight, then come back after dark.
 
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If ya think ya found the hole, wait a min and watch. Lots of times there will be vents, and even second nests.

Plain old gas down the hole at night works, as the fumes displace oxygen.
Just be carefull about it and don't be tempted to ignite things.
Getting stung by flaming bees ain't fun.

I like SevinXLR mixed up in a bucket, and the pour method.
They will repair the entrance and drag the insecticide back to the nest but it takes a day or so. But then there's no risk of getting wooofed either.;)

Stay safe!
Dingeryote
 
well I got a funnel long enough and small enough to fit into the entry hole of this bees nest. poored about 2 pints of gas down it early this morning when they werent as active yet due to the cool morning this morning. as the day progressed I notice there are bees swarming around the whole and the ones that try and go down the whole quickly come flying back out..so im guessing the about 25 or so bees that are flying around the outside may have managed to escape through a secondary exit or got out before they died but the fumes from gas must be to potent cause they wont go back in the whole.. hopefully they find themselves a new place to live in the next day or so...
 
the first time I threw gas over the hole and lit it you could hear poping and cracking.. never saw any flying ones on fire.. all though at night time that might be a cool thing..lol..
 
..so im guessing the about 25 or so bees that are flying around the outside ...

No, those were probably the early birds that were already out foraging when you arrived. When they returned, they discovered that the nest was no longer habitable.

If they had come out any vents when you were pouring in the gasoline, they would have come out mad and stinging.
 
flying bees on fire?

Flying insects on fire simply does not occur. Their little wings are so thin that they immediately incinerate when in the presence of flame, and they fall to the ground unable to fly. After all, they are literally fanning the fire, aren't they?

How do I know?

Years ago, when I was young and foolish, I was fond of eliminating hornets and wasps that were trapped inside my building in a rather unique way: I would grab a can of starting fluid, a cigarette lighter, and proceed to shoot a ball of flame at the flying insect. Of course, I had to abandon that practice when they begin to put other things in a can of starting fluid beside ethyl ether. It was pretty good at eliminating spiderwebs in the cracks of the ceiling as well, but you had better have a fire extinguisher ready.

It was very spectacular, and it never failed to instantly drop wasps, hornets, bumblebees, or whatever. Of course it did not seriously injure the insect otherwise, so you were obliged to step on them or otherwise remove the risk of being stung by a fiercely angry stinging insect.

They are super PO'ed when you burn off their wings!
 
Be carefull

About 3 months ago 2 of my guys were trimming up some hedges when they upset a nest of wood bee's, one of them ended up in the hospital for a week. He had over 80 stings. the other dove into the pool but they were waiting on him to surface i guess. Surprised he did not drown him self lol
 
I am doing it now I just got home from football practice and have a small window before the wife gets home , she would not approve of this I will snap a few pics ....
 
Well that sucked I put the funnel in the hole and filled it with gas I pulled it out and all the gas drained down to the right , kinda under where I was standing , a few bees came out and were flopping around the grass , so I stuck the BBQ lighter down there and lit them up , the hole lit up but no flying bees just some burnt grass ...I did see alot of dead soilders at the bottom of the hole but thats it..
 
If you really want to have fun with burning bees, try this:

1. find general area of a new hive. Too bad you killed the last one.
2. String trim all weeds away from the area at night, while it is safe. Wait for High Noon, when bees will be most active.
3. Splash a pint of gasoline in the area, but don't pour it down the hole.
4. Ignite, presumably from a safe distance.
5. Watch with delight as bees try to escape the flame zone when they depart the safety of the hive. Returning workers will be held away, but some will zoom into the fire like a Moslem fanatic with a suicide bomb.
6. Add small splashes of gas to the fire as needed, so that the fire outlasts the bee supply.
 
Well I have come to this site to pick brains to learn about climbing. It pleases me to be able to return the favor with my extensive experience with ground bees.

I've fought ground bees all my life. Here's what I've learned:

First of all what tends to stir them up the most is raking the ground. Walking over them or running a shredder (more commonly known to most people as a Bush Hog) doesn't bother them as much if just passing over. Dragging logs or brush directly over the nest surely would be the same as a rake. Raking hay doesn't bother them as much as a hay baler because there is a layer of grass that sort of pads the rake tines. A baler is run over a raked field so it is more likely to directly and violently run a tine over the nest.

Several times over the years, while baling I have stopped and retreated from the tractor and hay baler, offering it to the bees. So far, they have yet to learn how to drive it and it was always there when I returned.

Raking can find the nest in that the bees come storming out of it, but occasionally it disturbs the nest enough that you can't see exactly where it is.

Once it is located, the gasoline trick will work, but what I have found most effective and convenient is to back a running shredder directly over the hole, put the tractor in neutral and rev up the shredder. The bees will fight those shredder blades and they will lose every time. In my experience, this will kill every bee in the nest. If the queen is left, she has no tenders and dies. I don't think that a rotary blade lawn mower would have the same effect because it has a blowing effect that would blow the bees out not giving them the chance to attack the blade. A shredder is designed to cut and drop the clippings directly under the cutter, allowing the bees to attack the blade.

Hope this helps,
Doc

edited regardling rethinking the use of rotary lawn mower.
 
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1. Hornet killer spray or gasoline on the exit hole, at night. Soak as good as you can, but run if any get out of the nest. Come back and re-treat night after night until they are gone.

or...

2. Pruning pole, cut 'em down at night. Make sure that it is a dark night. Dark and rainy is even better. If it is nice and windy, they don't leave the nest when you start shaking it, because they don't notice the motion as easily. Let the nest crash, but make SURE that you can leave the area without using a flashlight. They WILL fly toward the light and sting you if they can see you.

Return hours later and soak the nest in gasoline, acetone, or even wasp killer spray.

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A note on stinging insects in general: As you may recall, insects have an exoskeleton made of chitin, a bone-like substance that supports their bodies. What many folks don't know, is that this is a relatively simple chemical compound that can be dissolved, much like the paint on your car, if you hit it with the right solvent.

Acetone is a solvent for chitin. When they get sprayed with acetone (or other similar solvents), their exoskeleton and their joints are partly dissolved and quit working entirely. The insect literally cannot move it's joints, so it is done for! This is why some hornet killers claim to "freeze" them before they can sting you. Sadly, most of these solvents are also quite flammable, so the hornet killers of the recent past were not much different than spraying your house with an un-lit flamethrower.

About the best solvent for killing hornets is carbon tetracloride. This was commonly used many years as "dry cleaning fluid", and you could buy it in any grocery store. It was so flameproof, it was used as a sprayable fire extinguisher. It has since been linked to liver problems in humans, so you will not likely find any at the grocery store.



...Just another knowledge tidbit you really didn't need, but might enjoy anyway.
 
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