That is a dealbreaker for me.Not so cool to inhale lead.
That is a dealbreaker for me.Not so cool to inhale lead.
The Echo Red Armour is fine to a certain extent, but it is not as good as Amsoil Saber Pro. I have been running Amsoil Saber Pro, 1st at 50 to 1, and now at 42.6 to 1, basically 3 ounces of 2 stroke oil to 1 gallon of fuel. I have been doing this since 1998.
Echo Red Armour, if you do not run this oil at full throttle all of the time, you will get deposits, let's be realistic, you are not going to run your chainsaw or trimmer at full throttle all of the time. Where are the deposits going to be, in the exhaust port. Why am I mentioning this, well, I wanted to use the Echo Red Armour and I was made aware of this issue by someone who used this 2-stroke oil. I have an Echo SRM- 2601 trimmer that I have been using since 1998 and the exhaust port has never needed to be cleaned up, and I have taken the muffler off, back in 2022 and there was barely any carbon in the exhaust port.
Why does the Amsoil Saber Pro work, because you can idle your 2-stroke equipment and not build up deposits. Maybe I do not idle my stuff long like the 1 member here who had an issue with the Red Armour.
Anyone reading this, do not use Amsoil Saber Pro at 100 to 1 in a Chainsaw, I do not care what Amsoil says, I would rather use Echo Red Armour at 50 to 1 than to use Amsoil Saber Pro at 100 to 1
Are there better 2 stroke Oils out there, yes, but you will be spending more Money.
1) Maxima K2
2) Bel Ray HR-1
42.6 to 1 or 40 to 1 is the way to go with any 2-stroke oil you are using.
That is a dealbreaker for me.
What supposedly makes the H1R so good? I got some of that laying around.Welcome aboard.
This is the first time I've ever heard of someone having trouble with RA. First post, and hearsay from them at that. Ain't buying it. Too many people with exactly the opposite experience, including me.
For one, it burns the living hell out of my eyes, IDK if it's the Lead or something else in it.I'd burn ethanol fuel and dollar store 2 cycle oil before I'd run leaded fuel in a chainsaw.
Thank you for the welcome, and I hear what you are saying, now I realize what I read was from another Forum. We all have opinions on 2 stroke Oil and at the end of the day we use whatever 2 stroke oil we use.Welcome aboard.
This is the first time I've ever heard of someone having trouble with RA. First post, and hearsay from them at that. Ain't buying it. Too many people with exactly the opposite experience, including me.
I've run 100LL before in a chainsaw and a lawnmower, didn't notice that. Smelled funny but that was all. Wouldn't do it now.For one, it burns the living hell out of my eyes, IDK if it's the Lead or something else in it.
Should be for everyone and I am no tree hugger.That is a dealbreaker for me.
I love the smell of avgas to be honest..I've run 100LL before in a chainsaw and a lawnmower, didn't notice that. Smelled funny but that was all. Wouldn't do it now.
Back when premix and non-ethanol fuel didn't exist, I stored a generator on it. That generator HAD to start when I needed it to go, and avgas helped.
I have seen what Lead can do to animals that had it in water from Chinese pipe fittings!Should be for everyone and I am no tree hugger.
Well, I disagree with your assessment. I have found Red Armor to be cleaner than Saber when both are ran at 50:1. If You believe Saber to be clean you don't know what clean is and this just isn't my opinion. More than a few other guys have noted the same thing with Saber when ran at normal ratios.The Echo Red Armour is fine to a certain extent, but it is not as good as Amsoil Saber Pro. I have been running Amsoil Saber Pro, 1st at 50 to 1, and now at 42.6 to 1, basically 3 ounces of 2 stroke oil to 1 gallon of fuel. I have been doing this since 1998.
Echo Red Armour, if you do not run this oil at full throttle all of the time, you will get deposits, let's be realistic, you are not going to run your chainsaw or trimmer at full throttle all of the time. Where are the deposits going to be, in the exhaust port. Why am I mentioning this, well, I wanted to use the Echo Red Armour and I was made aware of this issue by someone who used this 2-stroke oil. I have an Echo SRM- 2601 trimmer that I have been using since 1998 and the exhaust port has never needed to be cleaned up, and I have taken the muffler off, back in 2022 and there was barely any carbon in the exhaust port.
Why does the Amsoil Saber Pro work, because you can idle your 2-stroke equipment and not build up deposits. Maybe I do not idle my stuff long like the 1 member here who had an issue with the Red Armour.
Anyone reading this, do not use Amsoil Saber Pro at 100 to 1 in a Chainsaw, I do not care what Amsoil says, I would rather use Echo Red Armour at 50 to 1 than to use Amsoil Saber Pro at 100 to 1
Are there better 2 stroke Oils out there, yes, but you will be spending more Money.
1) Maxima K2
2) Bel Ray HR-1
42.6 to 1 or 40 to 1 is the way to go with any 2-stroke oil you are using.
It's not. Terrible in a bike and even worse in a saw.What supposedly makes the H1R so good? I got some of that laying around.
The problem is most guys opinions are garbage. Most can't tune a two cycle motor to save their lives and this is paramount when assessing the performance of an oil. They also fail to realise how you run the equipment screws results one way or the other as well.Thank you for the welcome, and I hear what you are saying, now I realize what I read was from another Forum. We all have opinions on 2 stroke Oil and at the end of the day we use whatever 2 stroke oil we use.
This old School mechanic from the shop where I used to go told me that MC1 the original, would cause lower rod bearing failures from lack of lubrication.It's not. Terrible in a bike and even worse in a saw.
I was initially very skeptical of RA. Not that I didn't think it was decent oil as Echo has always marketed decent oil, but that it was so great performance wise.Welcome aboard.
This is the first time I've ever heard of someone having trouble with RA. First post, and hearsay from them at that. Ain't buying it. Too many people with exactly the opposite experience, including me.
Back in the day the suggestion was to run MC1 out higher oil to fuel ratios. Given this I have no doubt rod bearing problems where had by some.This old School mechanic from the shop where I used to go told me that MC1 the original, would cause lower rod bearing failures from lack of lubrication.
60 to 1 or higher.Back in the day the suggestion was to run MC1 out higher oil to fuel ratios. Given this I have no doubt rod bearing problems where had by some.
Guys think there is some sort of magic to synthetics that allows them to run lean ratios, but it just not the case. Strato saw bearing failures are another example. You can't cut the amount of oil you use back and expect good results.60 to 1 or higher.
I wouldnt!Guys think there is some sort of magic to synthetics that allows them to run lean ratios, but it just not the case. Strato saw bearing failures are another example. You can't cut the amount of oil you use back and expect good results.
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