iain
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Ross Turner said:Talking to tom(tam) today at work about this post above,He said it was no joke & its as he tells it.
ross keep an eye out,
if he nips off to the corner shop, :Eye: or applys for a job with fox's
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ross keep an eye out,
if he nips off to the corner shop, :Eye: or applys for a job with fox's
iain
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its, us who feel like legging it,
a hard job made harder, for the legitimate ones anyway,
with little visable punishment, for the unscrupulous.
As you indicate that the hse are reactive than proactive, due to staff issues,
is it therefore, that investigation are mainly after an incident has happened, where us guys are there with their head on the chopping block and nowhere to runaway too even if we wanted too, whilst the bodgers just change their mobile phones
iv'e heard the horror storys ie: of a 'white van ' firm who dropped a tree through an old dears bungalow, then promptly did a bunk
**no insurance for the old girl, **no punishment for the cash in hand brigade
'nowt' !!
sorry but your lot should be able to get a grip of these firms, we as an industry have come a long way in the last 10-20 yrs
overheads are crippling small-medium firms,
all our emp insurance as gone up by 300%
stiffled with more and more rules and regs to meet / abide by
these courses you mention cost £350- 400 each per person + they're wage whilst on them + the loss to company income while on the courses, which are typically a week long
the list goes on and on and on
and after all that expence, the lad can up and leave to work overseas for more money or goes to work for another firm, not much of an incentive is it !!!
especially when mr & mrs blogs dont give you there job, because you have to charge so much (To cover overheads to =profit )compared to those who dont do as they should
and you're surprised at the response level mmmmmmmmmmm
a hard job made harder, for the legitimate ones anyway,
with little visable punishment, for the unscrupulous.
As you indicate that the hse are reactive than proactive, due to staff issues,
is it therefore, that investigation are mainly after an incident has happened, where us guys are there with their head on the chopping block and nowhere to runaway too even if we wanted too, whilst the bodgers just change their mobile phones
iv'e heard the horror storys ie: of a 'white van ' firm who dropped a tree through an old dears bungalow, then promptly did a bunk
**no insurance for the old girl, **no punishment for the cash in hand brigade
'nowt' !!
sorry but your lot should be able to get a grip of these firms, we as an industry have come a long way in the last 10-20 yrs
overheads are crippling small-medium firms,
all our emp insurance as gone up by 300%
stiffled with more and more rules and regs to meet / abide by
these courses you mention cost £350- 400 each per person + they're wage whilst on them + the loss to company income while on the courses, which are typically a week long
the list goes on and on and on
and after all that expence, the lad can up and leave to work overseas for more money or goes to work for another firm, not much of an incentive is it !!!
especially when mr & mrs blogs dont give you there job, because you have to charge so much (To cover overheads to =profit )compared to those who dont do as they should
and you're surprised at the response level mmmmmmmmmmm
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i find it good to hear the other side of the story, i hear all the **** all the time about hse this that and the other, its good to hear from the other side of the fence, its proactive them coming here as opposed to us going looking for them for info. i'd say stay and answer all our queries
jamie
i find it good to hear the other side of the story, i hear all the **** all the time about hse this that and the other, its good to hear from the other side of the fence, its proactive them coming here as opposed to us going looking for them for info. i'd say stay and answer all our queries
jamie
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nohope said:
Tell that to ME when i have to spend huge amounts of time on h&s BS paper work etc etc,when pricing up work for large/national company's,not forgetting also spending copious amounts of money and time on silly bloody courses,that lets face it most course bullchit usually goes in one ear and out the other ,just give us the paper/certificate.Another thing It looks to me that main contractors are doing the HSEs job ie over seeing and implementing health and safety good i hear you say, the problem is it doesn't matter who you work for no body/client clearly understands the regulations,they usually mis vital stuff out and dwell on the minor aspects of health and safety!!
What the HSE should be doing is stamping out the cowboys,not sit about waiting for firms like us on here to make a slip up..The biggest proportion of our work IS made up with domestic work the area HSE mostly under-look
Ian sounds like to me you haven't sent a guy on a course for a while £350-£400 haha more like £700..
THE FUNNY THING IS EUROPE COULDN'T GIVE A TOSS ABOUT REGS FROM BRUSSELS..we silly buggers follow every paragraph.
courses
not been sent on any courses in a while, climb and cut, fell big wood with a basic saw ticket, our company does a lot of large stuff, we have the experience, another company round our way (the gaffer is high in the AA) are apprently crap at cutting, more shiny metal things and bits of paper than they know what to do with, but at cant cut. been told of ten minute walk back to the van to get a saw in a vice to sharpen it! pah.
most of my working knowledge comes from understanding what is going on, whats going to happen and how and why it will happen. think
oh and i get the fun job of typing up all the crap we deal with, boss cant use a computer...
jamie
not been sent on any courses in a while, climb and cut, fell big wood with a basic saw ticket, our company does a lot of large stuff, we have the experience, another company round our way (the gaffer is high in the AA) are apprently crap at cutting, more shiny metal things and bits of paper than they know what to do with, but at cant cut. been told of ten minute walk back to the van to get a saw in a vice to sharpen it! pah.
most of my working knowledge comes from understanding what is going on, whats going to happen and how and why it will happen. think
oh and i get the fun job of typing up all the crap we deal with, boss cant use a computer...
jamie
iain
ArboristSite Operative
rolla
not sure were your sendin ur blokes, i've got a lad going on cs38 next week £350.00
granted that doesnt include his wage costs and travel so yeah £700
b**locks aint it
not sure were your sendin ur blokes, i've got a lad going on cs38 next week £350.00
granted that doesnt include his wage costs and travel so yeah £700
b**locks aint it
iain
ArboristSite Operative
any one from europe watching ? is the edelrid x-perience arb rope any good ?
Ross Turner
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Get in touch with Nod,i think he has used it.
iain
ArboristSite Operative
who
Iain,
The Edelrid X-perience range of ropes personally i think are great, i work on the rainbow which is a little heavier than the likes of the N.E Blaze or Poison Ivy but a durable rope with a good diameter and captive eye splice.
I also have the Timbergreen which i work with a lockjack and again have no complaints with this rope either.
Noddy Knott - www.treeworker.co.uk
The Edelrid X-perience range of ropes personally i think are great, i work on the rainbow which is a little heavier than the likes of the N.E Blaze or Poison Ivy but a durable rope with a good diameter and captive eye splice.
I also have the Timbergreen which i work with a lockjack and again have no complaints with this rope either.
Noddy Knott - www.treeworker.co.uk
PRUNER 1
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i had a look and our lads are on salamander?, marlow. got a big beech to td tomorrow, nice n easy, mostly drop but may lower the chunks to save the grass. cant wait, we fought for this one!!!
Never quite worked that one out? With the industry slating that the T16 got, Marlow released the Gecko and Salamander why wouldn't you realise it under another name rather than Marlow? Not a fan of either but they work for some.
iain
ArboristSite Operative
thxs puwer
nohope
ArboristSite Lurker
Lets through another log on the fire and keep this going, Thanks for not just descending into a 'take pot shots at hse and the inspector', thats not why I am here, nobody likes being a target for too long. I like to think that I have a bit of knowledge of the industry, I would like to know more, being a better inspector is not about throwing enforcement about it is about understanding the industries you inspect and being able to work with them try and help to make sure that the accidents don't happen as often.
Did I anywhere say that I was surprised by the response?
Did I anywhere say that I didn't know how much courses cost?
Did I anywhere say that I put peoples heads on the block?
Believe it or not I too would love to be able to get at the white vans, unfortunately I do not have the time to find out where they are working unless someone tells me (us, hse) but you would be amazed at the number of people that complain about us only visiting after the event, or only contacting the legit' but who will not tell us where the cowboys are. You know the jobs you have been undercut on by cowboys,tell us. If youre not prepared to tell us then please don't complain to me that we are not reaching the parts other laws have difficulty with.
I'm a bit confused, you don't want to see us before the accident when things are going ok, you don't want to see us after the accident and yet you still want us out catching 'the others'.... hmmm which is it to be? If we are out trying to catch the others then you never know we may well find you. In which case it will turn into the sort of visit that frankly I am getting bored of-
Morning
Morning I'm an inspector....
Oh ****, what are you picking on me for?
Chat, chat chat, risk assessment, :¬( Oh ok, actually thats not so bad, even makes sense really.
chat
Right, you're ok, can you let me know who I really ought to be inspecting?
Oh no I couldn't bubble/dob in/grass on/ anyone else
ok bye.
Complaints that I have to deal with from the public I spend more time, after checking them out, telling the public where to go.
Several accidents I have investigated have gone no further than initial investigation as I have found that the risks had been controlled as far as reasonably practicable and hey you guys work in the most dangerous industry in the country bar none. Classics are 'anchor point gave way after tree had been assessed by 3 competent climbers' 'climber attached karabiner to wrong loop of bowline' (der that called for a heavy dose of sarcasm)
We do not go around prosecuting everything, you know I said I hate paperwork, you would not believe the paperwork and hoops we have to jump through to bring a prosecution, it is not something that any inspector enters into lightly.
Did I anywhere say that I was surprised by the response?
Did I anywhere say that I didn't know how much courses cost?
Did I anywhere say that I put peoples heads on the block?
Believe it or not I too would love to be able to get at the white vans, unfortunately I do not have the time to find out where they are working unless someone tells me (us, hse) but you would be amazed at the number of people that complain about us only visiting after the event, or only contacting the legit' but who will not tell us where the cowboys are. You know the jobs you have been undercut on by cowboys,tell us. If youre not prepared to tell us then please don't complain to me that we are not reaching the parts other laws have difficulty with.
I'm a bit confused, you don't want to see us before the accident when things are going ok, you don't want to see us after the accident and yet you still want us out catching 'the others'.... hmmm which is it to be? If we are out trying to catch the others then you never know we may well find you. In which case it will turn into the sort of visit that frankly I am getting bored of-
Morning
Morning I'm an inspector....
Oh ****, what are you picking on me for?
Chat, chat chat, risk assessment, :¬( Oh ok, actually thats not so bad, even makes sense really.
chat
Right, you're ok, can you let me know who I really ought to be inspecting?
Oh no I couldn't bubble/dob in/grass on/ anyone else
ok bye.
Complaints that I have to deal with from the public I spend more time, after checking them out, telling the public where to go.
Several accidents I have investigated have gone no further than initial investigation as I have found that the risks had been controlled as far as reasonably practicable and hey you guys work in the most dangerous industry in the country bar none. Classics are 'anchor point gave way after tree had been assessed by 3 competent climbers' 'climber attached karabiner to wrong loop of bowline' (der that called for a heavy dose of sarcasm)
We do not go around prosecuting everything, you know I said I hate paperwork, you would not believe the paperwork and hoops we have to jump through to bring a prosecution, it is not something that any inspector enters into lightly.
iain
ArboristSite Operative
hey don't take it to heart
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iain
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any recommendations for a good fungii indent book
PRUNER 1
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fungal decay strategies in wood (ithink) is rather good. covers all the big hitters. collins are usually ok. got the beech down in quick time. start at 845, on the ground and tidied up by 1, with a 30min break in between. sent 2 back to fell the stem thisavo and load up with the tractor. one tranny full of chip, 1 grain trailer of chip and 2 grain trailers of timber, bosch.
iain
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cheers
Just finished reading thru' the posts of the last few days, and I cant believe that no-one has (as yet) mentioned HM Tax Inspectors. Now, they are a fun bunch to deal with. (I got pulled in for a "random" check) Two sessions of three hours accounting for my whereabouts and movements financially on a three year period from 2003 backwards. $hit I cant remember what socks I'm wearing. What I did learn from this is make sure you dot every i and cross every t, TWICE!! Dont believe advice that people give you, it'll be wrong. Do believe that your books have got to be polished and shine, cos every penny you earn must be traceable. And, believe me, they follow a "paper-chain" from one source to the next. They have no sympathy for "life's problems". 2003 was the year my dad died, and I think I made accounting errors at that time, small mis-claims, rather than fraudulent claims. and small mistakes, (accidentally including a pack of Rizlas with my petrol expense) Honest!! And he picked it out!! Similar threads
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