Brits talkin about Brit stuff

[iain]

sorry to bring this up, if we (as professional users) have to be ticketed to use a saw how come homeowners can buy and use a saw with no idea of how it works. i know this all sounds a bit big bother ish but it gets to me somewhat, having said that a drill is dangerous in the wrong hands as well......i.e mine

jamie

jamie i agree with you, in a scale, a saw is much more dangerous than most other power tools, lets face it hollywood aint going to make
a film titled 'Texas powerdrill massacre'
i'm in no way trivialising accident's, however, when was the last time a diy'er slipped and powerdril'd a loved one to death ?l

 

[Ross Turner]

you never see Drill protection clothing for sale in B&Q do you,lol

 

[nohope]

Iain, Work At Height (WAH regs) (new in April) do apply to any work at height, including window cleaners, thats one of the reasons that around towns now you will see more contract cleaners using the long poles and cleaning from the ground.
General comments
WAH regs, translated
Work at Height, 1, Don't do it. 2, If you have to do it don't fall off, 3, If you do fall don't fall very far.
Only new bits really are consider inclement weather in risk assessment, and plan for the worst, ie emergency rescue. In effect if someone is up a tree then there should be a groundsman with at least CS38 to bring them down. The other thing that I like to see is an 'emergency details' bit on the paper work accessible at the site. This doesn't need to have the address of the local A&E as i see so many times, if you need the A&E the ambulance will know where to go, what they need to know is where you are and how to get there. You would be surprised the number of times that this information is not around.

 

[tam]

i seen this dog licking it's arse and i thot to myself ' wow i bet that comes in handy', so i says to the owner 'i wish i could do that'. he told me if i gave it a biscuit it might let me.

 

[Ross Turner]

nohope,my employer wont allow accidents to be recorded in the accident book as in all the time he has been running the company he has not had a accident recorded,what can i do & also the safety bar on the PTO chipper is not working as it should,he is aware of this & has done nothing to sort it.

 

[nohope]

And another thing, Domestic users/clients........
Unfortunately HSE enforce the 'Health and Safety AT WORK Act 1974 and associated regulations.
We are bound by the legal framework, if we want more control for domestic use then we have to get MP's to change the law.
I have the same sort of discussions with farmers about helmets on quad bikes.
Until there are powers for us to force domestic clients to consider health and safety when they take on contractors inspectors like myself are going to really on people in the trade to let us know when and where the cowboys are working so that we can catch up with the 'less visible end of the sector'

 

[nohope]

nohope,my employer wont allow accidents to be recorded in the accident book as in all the time he has been running the company he has not had a accident recorded,what can i do & also the safety bar on the PTO chipper is not working as it should,he is aware of this & has done nothing to sort it.

Ouch, I don't need to tell you that there is a legal duty to record accidents and to report some to us (HSE) probably the only thing that you can do (apart from politely pointing out the error of his ways) would be to make a complaint to us, if you do that then you will be asked 2 questions at least, one is 'Is the complaint disclosable?' if you don't want your boss to know a complaint has been made then as long as we have enough detail to catch up with him then it will be done as a standard spot check. The second is 'Do you wish to remain anon? If you do then you will, it makes our job harder but hey that goes with the job.
Of course the drastic action (that you are legally allowed to take) would be to refuse to use the chipper until its fixed, if he tries to take action against you for this then you have grounds to consult legal advise about an employment tribunal, H&S concerns are covered by the Public Information Disclosure or 'whistle blowers' Act.

 

[iain]

Tam awesome m8 keep taking the tablets

no hope
(what does the name imply) the feeling of pushing a snowball up a volcano

i take your points re the legislation that is provided for you to act upon,
however there should be a duty of disclosure / information re health risk potentials and the ability to purchase safety equipment at the same place as the chainsaw imo
Tv Ads perhaps, 1 death stopped must be worth the cost surely !!!

although u and i both know that, even given the info, some will look at the bank statement and not buy any En compliant equip ie: helmet with visor and ear protection or the gloves, trousers and boots,
I know you can't force a horse to drink if it ain't thirsty, but dehydration takes days to kill you, a chainsaw can do it in the blink of an eye!!!!!!

location maps and means of communication are an obvious advantage should things go wrong,
however re your statement on min of cs38 this is an external verification, not having it does not detract or stop a persons having the required ability to carry out a task if instructed and supplied with the correct equipment

 

[iain]

you never see Drill protection clothing for sale in B&Q do you,lol

ross you never see chainsaw ppe at B&Q either m8 , its a bloody disgrace

 

[PRUNER 1]

iain, ime down wales on the 28-29 nov to do the loler course

 

[Ross Turner]

Tam awesome m8 keep taking the tablets

Iain,Tam`s name is Tom & he works with me,he is young but comes out with some funny stuff.
Hes been with the company for about a month now & is fitting in great & is a team player which is good.

 

[teressa green]

im outa here ,,,,,,,,,,,,rapidly,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hse,my arse

 

[iain]

the argy's lost

T G they're everyway anyhow, why worry be happy

it least no hope has come out of the shadows

pruner good luck on the course

ross
its well nice, when you can have a laugh at work, as well as doing a job u luv

 

[Ross Turner]

I bet its fun in my mates house,Hes ex Guards & his misses is an Argy & they normally watch the matches wether in this country or there.

 

[iain]

I bet its fun in my mates house,Hes ex Guards & his misses is an Argy & they normally watch the matches wether in this country or there.

fly on the wall,, time

 

[Caledonian]

jamie i agree with you, in a scale, a saw is much more dangerous than most other power tools, lets face it hollywood aint going to make
a film titled 'Texas powerdrill massacre'
i'm in no way trivialising accident's, however, when was the last time a diy'er slipped and powerdril'd a loved one to death ?l

What about 'Driller-Killer', B&Q started selling thick gloves after that film...


Didn't they

 

[teressa green]

maybe we should all wear crash helmets while driving our vans,fireproof overalls,and full racing harnesses,imo hse are removing our common sence and replacing it with regulations,keep up with it all ? i dont bother anymore,just going out on the bike ,and i will be careful ,,,,,honest ,

 

[jamie]

i agree its getting a tad over legislated, but some folks need protection from themselves, they have no common sense

jamie

 

[teressa green]

then thats their fault,22yrs up trees never needed anyone to tell me what i can and cant do ,the jobs going to the dogs ,imo ,too many wanna be gucci public house tree surgeons about ,who dont know their arses from their elbows ,these pillocks get us all tarred with the same brush,well sod em ,,,,,,,,

 

[Big A]

then thats their fault,22yrs up trees never needed anyone to tell me what i can and cant do ,the jobs going to the dogs ,imo ,too many wanna be gucci public house tree surgeons about ,who dont know their arses from their elbows ,these pillocks get us all tarred with the same brush,well sod em ,,,,,,,,

WTF are you on TG? The new lads coming into this trade/profession have all the H&S drummed into them at college, every worksite you go on now spends at least an hour covering H&S procedures before you can even fill your saw. As for "gucci public house tree surgeons" are you referring to the new protective gear thats available, if so what are you wearing? A pair of 22 year old "clown" trousers? I've only been in the trade for the last ten years full time, butbeen involved one way or another most of my life, and I prefer the "new" way, mainly because its easier safer and even quieter than it used to be. Ok there's $hit loads of red-tape now, which is a PITA, but I like me and my mates to go home in the same condition that I left in the morning, in one piece!!