Brits talkin about Brit stuff

[iain]

wilco sorry i don`t know of suppliers north of the border, but im pretty sure that most of the usual eng based co's will supply and might discount the del costs if your order is big enough

 

[ROLLACOSTA]

No USA Standard's are not properly recognised overhere ,BUTif they have a serial number and swl on them ,you can get a loler test certifacte for the peice of kit ,ie my block is is all stamped up to US standards but i still got a test certificate for it ,like a great many thing's in this industry there are a lot's of grey areas ,just use your commen sence

 

[Ross Turner]

Wilco,Try Fujikaura there prices arnt bad & you can usually get great discount if you order is large enough.

 

[wilcowilson]

Cheers for the info guys! Just dismantled a huge oak today, seriously great fun! Clean up was an absolute pain though!

Wilco

 

[jamie]

supplier in scotland

the only one i know of is hamilton brothers i would say that they are anything but cheap.


jamie

 

[Big A]

Hello All,

is the safety standards of stuff you buy on the net from the US recognised over here?

Wilco

In a nutshell wilco if it aint CE it shouldn't be used in this country or Europe, speak to Penny at A&F about this, or your local H&S office should advise on this. By the time you've imported stuff paid duty and Import taxes I doubt the savings would be that good anyway! I know a while back there was a bit of fuss over people importing Weaver harnesses without CE approval, but full ANSI, and these goods were seized and destroyed! Sorry to put a dampener on it! Good luck tomorrow Ross, and well done Mr B on getting your ticket, now you can start learning! Enjoy!!

 

[Thor's Hammer]

hi guys, based on isle of anglesey in north wales. their not known for their rugby skills up here - its more of a south thing.
Wilcowilson - ordering off the www is always a good way to get gear- try proclimbers webste. however we have bought lots of gear from the US, its the same gear that several companys sell over here. it depends on what your doing with it...
if you give it to staff without a ce stamp and they fall out of a tree for any reason, the HSE will not be to happy. however if its for your own use, dont worry about it. In case you think im pulling plonkers, we have been involved with HSE writng standards in the past, so its not just hawspoo ;-)

 

[Ross Turner]

Hi Thor,Do you carry out utility work on the Isle for Scottish power?.

 

[Thor's Hammer]

Hi Thor,Do you carry out utility work on the Isle for Scottish power?.

not any more... and not if we can help it.
we used to have a big contract with sp for gwynedd and anglesey - but now i tend to try and contracts with machine power over vast gangs of men- plus dealing with any rec leaves you feeling a bit soiled

 

[Ross Turner]

What is your company called?,Did you carry ouy work back in august/september 2004 on a rebuild?.

 

[ROLLACOSTA]

WELL GUY'S i'll just say this once I have recently had all my kit tested by a LOLER inspector HE the EXPERT told ME THAT climbing gear need's a CE stamp [unless your the boss and your useing the kit then you can use what the hell you like] rigging gear DOE'S not need to be CE marked but like i said in my previous post it must be TRACEABLE ie it must have a serial number and a SWL stamped on it be it a yank serial number or whatever ,

 

[Thor's Hammer]

What is your company called?,Did you carry ouy work back in august/september 2004 on a rebuild?.

Hi ross, no it wasent us - The last work i did for sp was a quality audit on all contractors about 18 months ago -
What rebuild were you thinking of?

 

[Thor's Hammer]

WELL GUY'S i'll just say this once I have recently had all my kit tested by a LOLER inspector HE the EXPERT told ME THAT climbing gear need's a CE stamp [unless your the boss and your useing the kit then you can use what the hell you like] rigging gear DOE'S not need to be CE marked but like i said in my previous post it must be TRACEABLE ie it must have a serial number and a SWL stamped on it be it a yank serial number or whatever ,

succinctly put.
my father takes care of that side of the business, he's a loler inspector and has advised the HSE in the past (he co-wrote the arbelectric certs) and he says if your a subbie or a boss you can use what the hell you like. However, there is the point, and the HSE wont give a definite answer - if you buy a none ce stamped harness from the US, but its proven to be identical to a CE stamped harness, and its loler inspected then they cant tell you not to use it. it also depends who you speak to at HSE, as there are no real hard and fast rules
its just another example af nanny state gone mad...

 

[puwer]

Thors' hammer,

In regard to subbies, no doubt you will access to the PPE regs ACOP (Approved Code of Practice), you may wish to cast an eye over regualtion 4 on this matter. Puwer 98 Regulation 10 will also be of interest. You will find that regualtions are still applicable to the self employed.

So far as LOLER is concerned you must remember that if the equipment has no CE mark a thorough examination would be required before the equipment is put into service. And i would question if the equipment has no CE mark how did it get through a LOLER inspection? Fit for purpose would not be a defence that i would want to try and maintain. Precedent in case law shows this.

Your point so far as the HSE is concerned is a perfectly valid one, and CE marking is primarily a DTI one (case example Beal Regate Rope) but the use of non CE marked equipment is a contravention of basic legislation and in the event of an accident, of course you may have to prove your defence.

 

[ROLLACOSTA]

i bet a good 'expert witness' would soon kick into touch any prosecution soliciter/hse /official..if the **** hit the fan and it all went to court,as long as you used fit for purpose /serial numbered reputable kit,no dout about it !!!!!...at the end of the day this industry is a big ******* GREY AREA period !!!!

 

[Ross Turner]

Hi Thor,Cant remember the rebuild name or the area all i remember was that it was on Anglesey,Is it Kings that have the contract on there at the moment for SP.I was authorised to work on SP network with my last boss but got sick of staying out.

 

[Tom D. Wilson]

WELL GUY'S i'll just say this once I have recently had all my kit tested by a LOLER inspector HE the EXPERT told ME THAT climbing gear need's a CE stamp [unless your the boss and your useing the kit then you can use what the hell you like] rigging gear DOE'S not need to be CE marked but like i said in my previous post it must be TRACEABLE ie it must have a serial number and a SWL stamped on it be it a yank serial number or whatever ,

so what if after i finish at college i decide to become a self employed climber working for other companies with my own gear?

 

[rubberducky]

Their should be no if just do it.

 

[Ross Turner]

Get intouch with Liam at Treevolution he should be able to advise on this.

 

[puwer]

Tom,

All kit will need to LOLER compilant including ID marks and SWL where required, along with records of thorough examination (electronic or hard copy). You should be able to produce this information when working on any clients behalf:

The info accompanying the equipment needs to include:
The name and address of the duty holder for whom the thorough examiantion was made.
The address of the premises at the the TE was made
Sufficient infoamtion to ident the equipment
Date of last TE
Date of next due TE
SWL of equipment, or where SWL depends on the configuration of the equipment the SWL of each item.

And yes it should all be CE marked.