ROLLACOSTA
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The other bunch of useless ****'s are trading standard's...now they are a complete f-ing joke 
Brits talkin about Brit stuff
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ROLLACOSTA
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followed by most local authority's and of course the enviroment agency...in fact most thing's governmant run
Thor's Hammer
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To be Honest, any agency that doesent actually do anything. They dont want to sweat for a living, so all they do is constantly justify there jobs by hassling hard working guys like ourselves.ROLLACOSTA said:
someone wrote on here (very truthfully IMO) that most tree officers are failed climbers.
NickfromWI
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I know I don't belong here- but is this the MOST popular thread EVER?
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Thor's Hammer
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Hey nick,
who says you dont belong here?
its a popular thread though 'cause us brits have a lot to complain about.
if you read the last few pages on the legislation we face...
in an industry that atracts mavericks and headcases like flies to poop, you'll see why we complain
must give you yanks a right laugh reading our stuff
who says you dont belong here?
its a popular thread though 'cause us brits have a lot to complain about.
if you read the last few pages on the legislation we face...
in an industry that atracts mavericks and headcases like flies to poop, you'll see why we complain
must give you yanks a right laugh reading our stuff
Acer
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Thor's Hammer said:
Thor, have you worked in forestry over there? Are there any opportunities? I'd love to get into woodland managenet or forestry a bit more, but the industry's on the bones of it's arse over here - it certainly is near me, anyway. You really do have to scrape and scratch for a living.
By the way, about the chippers..
In the 6" class, the best ones I've used are still Timberwolf 35/150s. That's all I need - anything more than 6" I can use as cordwood. For me, it's important that the chipper will pull stuff in, as I deal with thorn more often than not. Effective feed rollers are essential - the last thing you want is a chipper that nibbles the end of the branch off but won't pull the twigs through. I find the Timberwolf great in this respect - I just wish the blades were easier to change. 15 minutes my arse!
I also like the weight. At 750 kg, It's not too hard to push around on your own. I can't work out why a similar Greenmech, for example, should be half a ton heavier.
Probably top of the list is backup. If the dealer's attitude is poor, you're shafted when things go wrong (you can be buried in brash inside a day on some jobs). I've seen this a lot with imported stuff in particular. Once the cheque's in the bank, some dealers don't want to know. In fact, this is why I swapped to Huskys - our local stihl dealers don't seem to be interested in anything but the big company or council accounts.
Thor's Hammer
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Hi Acer,
French forestry-
I looked at a lot of harvesting work in the big windblow, but eventually decided not to bother. the reason being that a few large scottish management companys had cornered the ONF (french forestry commision) and organized the harvesting. Result? ONF were paying every 2 weeks, management co. paying every 4 months... if at all for some guys. lot of contractors lost their shirts
However, a few reasons why the french forestry industry is so dependable and steady is
1/ no imports of cheap timber
2/ superb long term management of forest resources
3/ NO HSE!!!
4/ Bad payers are practicly unheard of
5/ sawmill in every town and village
6/ massive firewood industry
7/ NO HSE!!
the few meetings i had with ONF guys, world of difference to UK forest officers, very willing to help contractors, and quite happy to have little 2 man outfits skidding with an old cat d2 as opposed to expecting you to turn up with a fleet of 1/4 million pound harvesters. (although if thats what you've got their still quite happy). one site i visited, a contractor had lost his forwarder operator for a few weeks. so while he was harvesting (valmet 921) his 10 year old son was forwarding with valmet 860! The ONF guy never even batted an eyelid. also heard of french pulp hauliers regularly leaving site weighing 75 - 80 tonnes gross - and the gendarmes dont give a toss.
IMO its this healthy disregard for rules that enables them to get on with it stress free (and have 2 hour lunchbreaks at home)
if you wanted to get into it you would need to head over there and have a chat with the local ONF dude.
Alternatively, my idea was to advertise in 'rich wankers french holliday property magazine' as so many rich brits have bought large propertys with acre's of woodland without knowing how to ask the locals to do the work that your bound to get lots of work - but dont tell anybody my idea
ED
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French forestry-
I looked at a lot of harvesting work in the big windblow, but eventually decided not to bother. the reason being that a few large scottish management companys had cornered the ONF (french forestry commision) and organized the harvesting. Result? ONF were paying every 2 weeks, management co. paying every 4 months... if at all for some guys. lot of contractors lost their shirts
However, a few reasons why the french forestry industry is so dependable and steady is
1/ no imports of cheap timber
2/ superb long term management of forest resources
3/ NO HSE!!!
4/ Bad payers are practicly unheard of
5/ sawmill in every town and village
6/ massive firewood industry
7/ NO HSE!!
the few meetings i had with ONF guys, world of difference to UK forest officers, very willing to help contractors, and quite happy to have little 2 man outfits skidding with an old cat d2 as opposed to expecting you to turn up with a fleet of 1/4 million pound harvesters. (although if thats what you've got their still quite happy). one site i visited, a contractor had lost his forwarder operator for a few weeks. so while he was harvesting (valmet 921) his 10 year old son was forwarding with valmet 860! The ONF guy never even batted an eyelid. also heard of french pulp hauliers regularly leaving site weighing 75 - 80 tonnes gross - and the gendarmes dont give a toss.
IMO its this healthy disregard for rules that enables them to get on with it stress free (and have 2 hour lunchbreaks at home)
if you wanted to get into it you would need to head over there and have a chat with the local ONF dude.
Alternatively, my idea was to advertise in 'rich wankers french holliday property magazine' as so many rich brits have bought large propertys with acre's of woodland without knowing how to ask the locals to do the work that your bound to get lots of work - but dont tell anybody my idea
ED
www.thormech.com
www.thormantreespecialists.co.uk
Thor's Hammer
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On chippers-
my idea is that a 6" chipper should have a 8" x 14" opening to easily swallow gorse, hawthorn, brambles, dog rose, leylandii etc. etc.
also 45hp so that when you shove a 'fluffy' piece of 5" x 10' leylandii top in, it can eat it without dying
Keep up the feedback guys
my idea is that a 6" chipper should have a 8" x 14" opening to easily swallow gorse, hawthorn, brambles, dog rose, leylandii etc. etc.
also 45hp so that when you shove a 'fluffy' piece of 5" x 10' leylandii top in, it can eat it without dying
Keep up the feedback guys
Ross Turner
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Thor,You dont happen to have any relations living in Whittington,Oswestry by any chance?.
Acer
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Thor's Hammer said:Alternatively, my idea was to advertise in 'rich wankers french holliday property magazine' as so many rich brits have bought large propertys with acre's of woodland without knowing how to ask the locals to do the work that your bound to get lots of work - but dont tell anybody my idea
ED
www.thormech.com
www.thormantreespecialists.co.uk
I was wondering about that. Much as I hate these people, they haven't got a clue about anything, really, and I don't see how anyone could feel guilty about fleecing them!. I was hoping to check out the possibilities for hedgelaying and coppicing. I'm not sure whether the French have much in the way of hedges, and if they do, how do they manage them? I like the idea of everything else you said about their industry. Much as I like woodland work, if you work for a lot of people over here, it just balls out to the point where it stops being enjoyable - and there's nomoney in it. A few years ago, I knew a cutter who reckons he was making £20 / day when he took his tools and travelling into account properly, including all the depreciation - that's here in Notts.
That bit about the windblow and the management companies is absolutely typical of Britain these days. The greed of some of these bigger companies is a bit hard to stomach.
lucky me
im pretty lucky i just turn up to work and cut. dont have to get involved in the nasty side of it all. hear all the nasty stuff off of teh boss but well i can do without it just now.
luckily i have the weekend off this weekend.
jamie
im pretty lucky i just turn up to work and cut. dont have to get involved in the nasty side of it all. hear all the nasty stuff off of teh boss but well i can do without it just now.
luckily i have the weekend off this weekend.
jamie
Thor's Hammer
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Hello Ross,
Yup, thats The FATHER...
Yup, thats The FATHER...
Ross Turner
ArboristSite Operative
He assesed me on my unit Ae2a,2b,5. Is he still assessing for the NPTC?
Hey Thors' Doo-dah for Gods sake dont stock the Jensens, company I help just bought a second one and it sheds bolts quicker than I can do 'em up! Brand new, out of the box went round checked bolts were tight, went down the road, did half hours chipping, found an allen bolt laying on the road. Looked around the machine to see where it came from. Rang Jensen, it had fallen out of the top roller shaft. Spent 20 mins 3 times in a day checking and re-checking bolts. German quality or is it assembled badly over here? The other problem I found is that the jockey wheel fully raised is FOUR inches above the road surface, fine until you forget about speed ramps and bend the ????ed thing first day out, bugger! have to raise the tow hitch I suppose. Chips nicely though, but it was only on Alder.
SteveBullman
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shame to hear that about the new jensen......i was hopinh it would prove a worthwhile machine
teressa green
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had the same problem ,terrible .sick of the sight of the fitter,shook itself to bits in no time ,
SteveBullman
User Formerly known as stephenbullman
so do you think its a problem with the chipper itself or the shoddy lazy arsed english fitters who assemble them?
i just find it strange for a german machine to be so crap.....cos lets face it....theres nothing that can match it for chipping efficiency
i just find it strange for a german machine to be so crap.....cos lets face it....theres nothing that can match it for chipping efficiency
Thor's Hammer
ArboristSite Guru
Thanks Guys, getting good feedback.
No we wont be stocking jensens, kwikchips or premiers. We ran small tracked timberwolfs and jensens on railwork for a while. Quite frankly the quality of these machines is awfull. I think they were between 3 - 4 years old, it doesent take long for them to wear out. have demoed both as new machines and thought they were very neatly packaged. But at £20,000, its a lot of dosh for a 6" chipper thats shagged in 4 years
No we wont be stocking jensens, kwikchips or premiers. We ran small tracked timberwolfs and jensens on railwork for a while. Quite frankly the quality of these machines is awfull. I think they were between 3 - 4 years old, it doesent take long for them to wear out. have demoed both as new machines and thought they were very neatly packaged. But at £20,000, its a lot of dosh for a 6" chipper thats shagged in 4 years
Thor's Hammer
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Could you quantify what you mean by efficiency?stephenbullman said:
most efficient chipper i've seen is the morbark m30 - 880hp, 600m3 per hour, fills a 40" curtainsider in 12 mins.
SteveBullman
User Formerly known as stephenbullman
not seen the morbark thor.....and perhaps saying its the most efficient might be unfair beings as i havent used every chipper.
but anyway by efficiency i mean how well it chips for its size. ive only used the 6 inch machine but the say it pulls in bushy hawthorn and the likes is better than any other machine of the same size.
you mentioned not stocking the premiers....is that because you dont like them or because of the price?
i personally can find little fault with them after using them for about 4 years
but anyway by efficiency i mean how well it chips for its size. ive only used the 6 inch machine but the say it pulls in bushy hawthorn and the likes is better than any other machine of the same size.
you mentioned not stocking the premiers....is that because you dont like them or because of the price?
i personally can find little fault with them after using them for about 4 years
