Spotted Owl
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.02 per bf as in $20 per thousand right? Does that come out to average about 200 per truck on the high end? Pay should reflect specific job needs/requirments that the average can't/shouldn't/don't want, to handle.
Owl
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.02 per bf as in $20 per thousand right? Does that come out to average about 200 per truck on the high end? Pay should reflect specific job needs/requirments that the average can't/shouldn't/don't want, to handle.
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forestryworks
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plan for 30-40 an hour if you do straight-falling
edit: i mean plan for 30-40 stems per hour
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sILlogger
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we only put about 4000 bdft on a semi around here. all of our logs to straight onto road trucks.
sILlogger
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that would be a blast! heck limbing this darn oaks and hickories is the hard part!
forestryworks
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i meant 30-40 stems per hour - i didn't preview my post :monkey:
stihlloggin
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i dont know how you guys log those crooked, limby ,trees, that would drive me crazy after about an hour.
rdbee
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I would have to see that to believe it, a tree every 1.5-2 mins
all day? What species and size, any wedging?
Are we talkin' tall trees or tales?
Burvol
Bullbuck
That's the thing, it could change from piece to piece. I would have loved to bushel some jobs I have done, but that seems to be all gone around here for quite some time. Guys were making money in nice second growth fir here in the 80's. A friend of mine was making 350 a day (1985 money) plus bonus for a certain amount of scale achieved for the day. He said it was most often 400-600 a day if you were really hustling and had the good wood factor.
stihlloggin
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Ya, i would have loved to have cut in the 80's. a guy could acually get ahead back then.
sILlogger
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they are not all crooked and limby but about 90' log i've ever cut out of a tree and that is pretty rare. the thing about limbing these trees is that ive cut limbes that were 24" in diameter, and alot of these limbs have serious pressure on them that is just waiting to pinch a saw. but when that is all you know you get used to it. it is not uncommon for me to cut 10,000 bdft in a day, it isn't burning up the world but its not terrible. that is dropping, topping and bucking. on this last clearcut job i was dropping and topping 100-150 trees per day. I can usually do 6-8,000 bdft a day when i am dropping, topping, hooking chokers, skidding and bucking-but man am i tired at the end of the day.
as for just dropping and topping:
34,000 bdft is the best i have ever done in a day
on another job i cut 67,000 bdft in 2.5 days,
RPM
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Thats what the processor is for.....all of our timber (ground and cable) goes tree length. On the cable ground the faller just has to make sure its laid out right. Only on helicopter yarding do we buck and limb in the cut block.
hammerlogging
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If the rate doesn't change with the timber type or prescription, it better even out over time. There can be a big change in potential mbf/day as the timber or the prescription changes. I love cutting by the mbf. In at dawn, out by 2 pm, nothing but a whirlwind of timber falling dance in between, except for a sup of water and some coffee, maybe a snack. Get home and you still have half the day left! $25/mbf works out good enough. But then if you're put on a day rate, you better know what you are cutting because what sounds like good money, you're really getting screwed. But yes, start the day ready to go, 1-2 spare ready to go chains, etc. My production skyrockets when i aqm away from skidders or whatever equipment, and other fallers when there are others. SilLogger, you're being honest about the volumes/day. Sure there are days in a hollow where you throw down 18+ mbf but day in and day out if you are throwing out 12mbf, good enough (just falling) Getting mixed up around equipment causes incredible delays and really throws off the rhythm.
50-60 real timber stems per day. Throw in the pulpwood junk felled in the way cut in passing or for a clearcut and it adds up. But the volume comes from the diameter and the HEIGHT. You ain't gonna get your volumme in short timber.
Yes, the cutter can make a job a whole lot better- when given the chance you can make descent sust. harvest prescription out of a stupid il-informed diameter limit cut, you can facilitate low rsd and orderly extraction with directional felling, etc.
Any of you guys ever try an ipod while falling timber? Less than traditional, but some days it could be fun.
Is it really a safety issue? Open to attack here......
50-60 real timber stems per day. Throw in the pulpwood junk felled in the way cut in passing or for a clearcut and it adds up. But the volume comes from the diameter and the HEIGHT. You ain't gonna get your volumme in short timber.
Yes, the cutter can make a job a whole lot better- when given the chance you can make descent sust. harvest prescription out of a stupid il-informed diameter limit cut, you can facilitate low rsd and orderly extraction with directional felling, etc.
Any of you guys ever try an ipod while falling timber? Less than traditional, but some days it could be fun.
Is it really a safety issue? Open to attack here......
forestryworks
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tree with 15 bushel of wood
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Burvol
Bullbuck
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What the hell did they do with that thing??? I doubt no one in Oregon would saw it or buy it, I wonder if it went to a small gypo mill?
Can't believe the State let em kill it!
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Do you have hard maple down that way. They can be a real pain if there limbythe limbs just dont break when they hit the groundits very strong wood.
Burvol
Bullbuck
Limbing white fir that is full of really hard, dead sharp limbs can be a bugger. They are hard on chains and are almost impossible to kick off. Glass hard.
i have put about 23,000 on the ground in a day(6 to 2) cutting big tall clear poplars. i could have probably doubled that # but keeping things orderly for the skidder slows things up. It was easy to do cause the lack of limbing just some bucking and helping hook up. Just aim and drop. i couldent even come close to doing that in an oak setting. Topping, forking, untangling hardwoods kills time like crazy. Sometimes the wood will top it self if its really cold but if your on the govt it still wont fly.(they want NO brusch on the landing...)
But i have always been payed by the day. It would be nice but there is timber that is ready to go on the ground that i cut 3 weeks ago.
And alot of times it wouldent pay off. Cutting in ####ty stuff thats 3 loads of pulp to 1 load of ties and 3/4 on the log pile.
But i have always been payed by the day. It would be nice but there is timber that is ready to go on the ground that i cut 3 weeks ago.
And alot of times it wouldent pay off. Cutting in ####ty stuff thats 3 loads of pulp to 1 load of ties and 3/4 on the log pile.
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hammerlogging
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Gotta love a day like that. Especially the self limbing and topping, I know exactly what you're describing
