Can You Guys Tell Me What You Would Bid On These??

[lego1970]

Well, I was just shooting that blue print out there to see if anyone would give that a green light. I'm sure of the forces applied there though. It's impossible for them to fall anyway but to the big truck. The trick is being damn sure about the lines' tensil strengths all the way around and the size and power of the truck. A little Dahtsun Love truck might get sucked back into one of these kinds of deals and/or spin out botching the whole operation. A heavy chip truck wouldn't let them do anything but follow it even at their sizes.

What does the guy tie a zip line to? On one job I had a tree at the top of a steep gulley. Below the tree was a cactus garden. I planted a few screw in stakes down the hill, and zipped the stuff that way. The cable bowed to much for my likeing though. I'd have been satisfied with a tree down there to put a manual winch on.

You didn't shoot that out there seeing if somebody would give it the green light or you would of approached it like "would it be possible to?". Instead your saying what you would do and how long the job should take.

I've done lots of pull overs useing large triple axle Grapple trucks, skidsteers and even small dozers. I've hauled lots of heavy equipment and have been around trucks more so then trees and I wouldn't trust a little 7 ton chipper truck to pull that over. Most chipper trucks have little gas V8 in them, no crawler gear, small clutches and brakes that are almost always out of adjustment.

Zip line it to the base of another tree or zip line it to a chipper truck so the pieces can be chipped without dragging them. You can use pulleys and hitches or a come-along on a bight to tighten the line. Or just move the truck slowly to tighten the line.

You dragged a huge cable up a tree? Most guys use rigging rope because it's much lighter, non-conductive, and easier to work with. Cable, huh? Learn something new everyday.

 

[mckeetree]

Then what are you doing wasting your time on here posting for? Different parts of the country are going to have different rates/prices. I'd love to get $3500 for that job, but realistically, in this economy, and in my area that would never happen. Where you live, maybe that would be the average.

Well it still didn't hurt for me to put my two cents worth in smartbutt. These threads come up from time to time and people start quoting prices that would put someone at the poverty level. We are not covered up with work but we stay busy and I am just saying that if it comes to doing jobs like that for less than at least dang close to $3,500 that I would quit the tree business. I have been in it for 23 years but I would not stay and beat a dead horse if all the money went out of it.

 

[mckeetree]

I don't know if I can do this but anyways check this out. This guy underbid bid me on this job by 1800 dollars. He got the job for 600 rootball removed and backfill. www.professional4life.com check out the gallery its the only pics in the gallery but just in case its the red house. Ohh yea check out the preferred customer plan.

That deal won't last long. That is ridiculous.

 

[timberwolf tree]

Full removal 2850 easy

stumps 475

 

[TDunk]

Well it still didn't hurt for me to put my two cents worth in smartbutt. These threads come up from time to time and people start quoting prices that would put someone at the poverty level. We are not covered up with work but we stay busy and I am just saying that if it comes to doing jobs like that for less than at least dang close to $3,500 that I would quit the tree business. I have been in it for 23 years but I would not stay and beat a dead horse if all the money went out of it.

I definitely see your point. I'd much rather talk about something like this than "witch oil" or "what chainsaw to buy" threads though.

There was a flyer in our newspaper the other day for a tree service about an hour or so away from where i live. Advertising 10% off the first hundred callers and blah blah blah. All i could think of "things must be getting real slow for them"

 

[treemandan]

thanks for your comment but i am not sure i understand exactly what you are saying. could you clarify for me please?

thanks everyone else for you input!

In response to what Mctree said from Texas: Use your good ear cause it was perfectly clear to me. Sorry if I come of like an #######.

 

[chipmaker29]

If you've got enough room there, you could save a lot of time in the trees especially over the roof. That branch over the roof looks like the most significant challenge.

If there is enough room there, you could heavy, heavy bound the two outer most trees together, and then each one separately to the one next to the garage. Before you cut anything, pull the two outer trees with a truck, so the whole "jam" of trees is leaning in the proper direction certainly. Notch and cut the two outer trees, so they are leaning outward some and stretching the lines tout between them and the tree closest to the house pulling it outwardly too. Now notch and cut the one closest to the house. Once this one is cut and on the way down away from the house, the weight of both trees and the truck's torque will certainly pull the trees right out and away from the house even that long limb that's reaches all the way across roof.

I would think this would save a bunch of time in the trees saving you cost of man hours allowing to stoop low enough to get the easy job but saving you enough cost to make a worthy profit on the job.

A few more details for security about that plan are:

Make sure you don't get the two outer trees to really want to fall until the one closest to the house is prepared to go. Leaning outward is OK, but with them really leaning hard outward by the lines to the tree closest to the garage, is might botch the operation.

Bound those things together with very strong lines like you and everyone's lives depend on them.

Tie low and higher up on those two outer trees to the truck. Tieing high will bring them forward for sure, and tieing low will make sure the bases of the trees can't kick back through the garage in that kind of high tie rig. Because the two outers are tied to the one closest to the garage at a high height, there is the potential for the trees to begin to fall but the tops will be held in place while the bottoms will not be forced to stay. This makes it possible for the bottoms to go right past that one closest to the garage, and go right through the wall. I think it is very unlikely because of the shear weight of the tree driving the base straight into the ground, but I know that lighter trees can jut back at there bases if preparation is not done right.

Two together, Each to one. Tie the two outers together be safer. Each one can resist the other's wish to fall to the sides that would botch the whole rig. Tie each outer to the close one separately for obvious safety reasons.

If you don't have clearance to pull the trees straight out with the truck, use another tree, and go around it with the lines to a different angle that your truck can drive in while keeping the truck out of harms way. You don't have to drive straight out from the shed if you go around a tree that is out from the shed with your lines, and then pull that other direction.

Cut kind of high on trunks to be sure they fall forward a bit with no chance of anything bouncing back into the garage. Then cut the rest of the trunks down once the crucial parts are downed.

Everyone else is going to be climbing and rigging for many more hours than what it will take to complete this plan. You could complete this plan in 4 hours maximum. While everyone else is bidding low on a 10-12 hour job in the trees to get hired, you can bid high on a 4 hour job (not including the clean up hours afterwards). :greenchainsaw: Score.


opcorn: I think it's a solid plan. Take it or leave it.

WOW dude is all i can say to that! NO disrespect intended to you and i appreciate your lengthy response but man, i would have been outta business long ago if i took any chances like that! I mean OMG, the slightest issue and i got BIG problems for sure. Maybe ur just a way more advanced arborist than myself or u have lots of experience in this type of removal method but that is not for me.

once again, i mean you no disrespect @ all and maybe u could pull it off but i think i will stick to my truck, some rigging lines and "good old fashioned" removal methods if I am lucky enough to land this one.

many thanks to ALL you guys for you great input. we are prolly gonna come it @ about $2800 for the job complete & hope some idiot service dont put in a bid for $1200 as things like that been happening alot to us lately. i believe $2800 is a competitive bid and they can either pay us that to do the job or give it to the lowball dumb a$$ that will probably end up dropping one of the trees on their house or garage.

we consider ourselves a professional tree removal company and if they want it done professionally then they are gonna pay the cost for the job. there is risk & we have overhead & insurance to pay for and damnit we dont work for pennies!!

Big thanks to you all again for your excellent advice & insight!:greenchainsaw:

 

[chipmaker29]

In response to what Mctree said from Texas: Use your good ear cause it was perfectly clear to me. Sorry if I come of like an #######.

ok buddy...guess i am just a dumbass then...LOL whatever. didnt realize it was such a problem to ask the gentleman to clarify what he said!!

 

[oldirty]

4k.


hey for the action. lol. maybe deep in the woods somewhere you can pull that little trick off but that'd be a no no next to the house. again. lol. tie em all together and pull........

mckeetree is right though. love of the game can only take you so far. if you getting your balls handed to you for that job then maybe being in business isnt all that cool.

 

[chipmaker29]

I definitely see your point. I'd much rather talk about something like this than "witch oil" or "what chainsaw to buy" threads though.

ya i agree with ya man...i really like hearing everybodys advice and input on these type of threads. i am always learning on here and that is why i love this forum.

 

[maloufstree]

That deal won't last long. That is ridiculous.

They say they are out of your area

 

[treemandan]

ok buddy...guess i am just a dumbass then...LOL whatever. didnt realize it was such a problem to ask the gentleman to clarify what he said!!

Its not a problem but just listen to what he said, its pretty clear.

Sure there is 3G worth of work there.

 

[arborist]

we consider ourselves a professional tree removal company and if they want it done professionally then they are gonna pay the cost for the job. there is risk & we have overhead & insurance to pay for and damnit we dont work for pennies!!

There you go.
Either make a good living doing it,or let someone else struggle their way out of business until they are no longer around for you to compete with anyway.

 

[mckeetree]

They say they are out of your area

I have never heard of them and I thought I knew them all. I have never heard of Shane Cox either and I have been around a while. If he was working in Athens for 19 years as he says the only thing I can figure is he may be one of those retarded drunks that worked for Richardson over the years. Anybody around here that has an applicators license I see at Estes chemical CEU program in Tyler every year and I have never seen him there so I doubt he has an applicator's license especially with the terminology he uses.

 

[chipmaker29]

There you go.
Either make a good living doing it,or let someone else struggle their way out of business until they are no longer around for you to compete with anyway.

thanks!
i agree with ya cuz there isnt any way u can run any kind of legitimate business and do things the right way and charge those ridiculously low rates.

just because these guys can scrape together enough money to purchase a couple saws and a bucket truck dont make them a competent tree service and lowballing everything just re-enforces the fact that they have no business sense either!

 

[rmihalek]

Did you give her your $2800 bid? I think that is VERY reasonable for all the work you described. Like Oldirty said, somewhere around $4k would be offered around here.

 

[lxt]

the 3 trees pictured, brush chipped wood cut to length......$1500.00 where im at! & some one would do it even cheaper!

looks pretty easy....bout a day! maybe return for misc. but jobs like that where im at, i know people who would do them for under $1000 & take the wood to sell or heat with!




LXT..........

 

[mckeetree]

the 3 trees pictured, brush chipped wood cut to length......$1500.00 where im at! & some one would do it even cheaper!

looks pretty easy....bout a day! maybe return for misc. but jobs like that where im at, i know people who would do them for under $1000 & take the wood to sell or heat with!
LXT..........

That's good to know. Cause I ain't going where you're at.

 

[tree MDS]

That's good to know. Cause I ain't going where you're at.

Right!

 

[teamtree]

I would probably be around $1600-2000....it looks like a 6-8 hours of work.

Can't tell everything from the pics but looks like you can use the one to rig everything off and you could rig some big wood out. Looks like plenty of room...bucket truck access....get the chipper close.....and room to free fall some of the wood.