Can't seem to hire an employee

[kkottemann]

That is a good idea about the coop. I am not sure if a similar institution is offered down here, however that did give me the idea to go and talk to some local vocational schools and try my luck there.

How about the latino issue. I would be gracious to hire a latino who will work. Of course he would need to speak english and be able to drive. Latinos are everywhere down here right now. I know there are places where you could drive up and get a few, but that makes me uneasy. How do you go about finding an legal. Are there migrant worker service companies to contact and find labor or do I have to go to home depot parking lot and go through a process of elimination?

check out the pics.

 

[kkottemann]

how do you post pictures

 

[kkottemann]

damm, I tried to post a couple of pics but only one went through.

 

[Treeinnovator]

I never read such a bad post You do NOT deserve to be in Business
Please do not listen to this man
I employed men all my life, I picked intelligence and the will to work, I paid the highest rate in my field and paid em a bonus too I was insistant on their being punctual and honest, I was rewarded by loyalty, many of them staying up to 10 years
My advice, follow the above, pay peanuts get monkeys tree inovator, you are a user on people

- if you pay employees too much, you are slowly financing their upstart, thus creating competition. sad, but true...want proof? take a poll. ask every treeco owner if they used to work for someone else.
- people are motivated in different ways. sure we all need money, but you'd be surprised how many people don't work strictly for the $$$. put them in an atmosphere they like and they will not need alot of money to work.

 

[lazeyjack]

- if you pay employees too much, you are slowly financing their upstart, thus creating competition. sad, but true...want proof? take a poll. ask every treeco owner if they used to work for someone else.
- people are motivated in different ways. sure we all need money, but you'd be surprised how many people don't work strictly for the $$$. put them in an atmosphere they like and they will not need alot of money to work.

well you will not mind if I copy and paste you words of wisdom to the inland revenue or whatever they have over there, seeing as you make so much money, you can share it with them!!Consider it done. anyone who has the attitude you have, sooner or later, will crash and burn
Don,t make me laugh, poor people need money to live, we all do, you are trying to tell me that 8 dollars beats 20!! COULD YOU LIVE OF THAT, LESS TAX, And run a vehicle, and put some by for a rainy day?
And competion , nothing to be afraid of,competition means better service or fail

 

[frashdog]

here in NY we have something called the Boards of Cooperative Educational Services (BOCES). They teach kids who are not intellectually inclined, skills such as auto mechanics, welding, etc.

yup BOTARDS we call em. Sorry I think that's funny.

Worse off is the A.R.C. True tards, buses with tinted windows, head strapped droolers. They work real cheap, hear some are real strong too, probably wouldn't trust one with a chainsaw though.

 

[Treeinnovator]

well you will not mind if I copy and paste you words of wisdom to the inland revenue or whatever they have over there, seeing as you make so much money, you can share it with them!!Consider it done. anyone who has the attitude you have, sooner or later, will crash and burn
Don,t make me laugh, poor people need money to live, we all do, you are trying to tell me that 8 dollars beats 20!! COULD YOU LIVE OF THAT, LESS TAX, And run a vehicle, and put some by for a rainy day?
And competion , nothing to be afraid of,competition means better service or fail

you must live richly.
entire US cities full of people live on low wages. take Orlando and Las Vegas for example. all those theme parks and hotels don't pay sh-t. in Orlando alone there are 1 million service workers living on $7/hr and they are fine. i lived off $8/hr for years with no problem.

 

[beowulf343]

yup BOTARDS we call em. Sorry I think that's funny.

Worse off is the A.R.C. True tards, buses with tinted windows, head strapped droolers. They work real cheap, hear some are real strong too, probably wouldn't trust one with a chainsaw though.

True, part of the boces program is dealing with the mentally challenged, but they also have alot of students who just hate school and thus don't apply themselves to their studies. This teaches them a skill they can use so they are not a drain on society.

 

[spacemule]

i lived off $8/hr for years with no problem.

They must've paid you too much. After all, you started your own company.

 

[buff]

All of you have the same problem...finding good employees that will show up everyday. It is just not the tree business. This is a universal problem. Ninty percent of what shows up at your door are tattoo freeks who are full of drugs and alcohol. These people have never worked anywhere for longer than 15 minutes and that is all they intend on staying with you. They just want to work long enough to get caught up on their beer and drug money. Staying in your employ is not their goal. They do not even have sense enough to show up for work with a small cooler of personal drinks or even bring a lunch. Let alone show up with sufficient cigaretts to make it through the day. It is so much easier to beg money from you. Keeping workers is not about money, or even working conditions. I have always made an effort to create the best working conditions. In different capacities over the years I have hired people and paid them whatever they ask for and usually a little more. I have hired people for the pay they ask for and then had them not even show up for the first day of work. They come looking for work and seem surprised when the find it. If you can not figure these people out it is because you are always thinking about what makes sense to you. The trouble with this is that you have a normal psychology and they do not. You work to the maximum. They work to the minimum. If you pay a worker more, they will not work more or show up for work any more often. In fact, they will too often work less and show up less. If they get $50 extra in their pocket they do not feel the need to work the next day or the day after that. You do not have time for personal business during the work day. However, your employees believe that personal business can only be taken care of between 8:00am and 5:00pm. There is no limit to the useless excuses they can create to leave in the middle of the day. This is why employers too often will look for illegals to fill their needs. These people will show up and treat your work like a real job.

 

[Grande Dog]

I would think that if you treated people the way you would like to be treated, you would eventually get the employee you wanted and they would get the employer they wanted.

 

[buff]

You must be new at hiring people. I have always provided the best working conditions. But that will not improve on the parade of drunks and drug addicts that represents almost all of the blue collar jobs today. Some want to pretend that there is something else different going on in their area and especially on their job. But it is not.

 

[Grande Dog]

I did say eventually.

 

[Treeinnovator]

All of you have the same problem...finding good employees that will show up everyday. It is just not the tree business. This is a universal problem. Ninty percent of what shows up at your door are tattoo freeks who are full of drugs and alcohol. These people have never worked anywhere for longer than 15 minutes and that is all they intend on staying with you. They just want to work long enough to get caught up on their beer and drug money. Staying in your employ is not their goal. They do not even have sense enough to show up for work with a small cooler of personal drinks or even bring a lunch. Let alone show up with sufficient cigaretts to make it through the day. It is so much easier to beg money from you. Keeping workers is not about money, or even working conditions. I have always made an effort to create the best working conditions. In different capacities over the years I have hired people and paid them whatever they ask for and usually a little more. I have hired people for the pay they ask for and then had them not even show up for the first day of work. They come looking for work and seem surprised when the find it. If you can not figure these people out it is because you are always thinking about what makes sense to you. The trouble with this is that you have a normal psychology and they do not. You work to the maximum. They work to the minimum. If you pay a worker more, they will not work more or show up for work any more often. In fact, they will too often work less and show up less. If they get $50 extra in their pocket they do not feel the need to work the next day or the day after that. You do not have time for personal business during the work day. However, your employees believe that personal business can only be taken care of between 8:00am and 5:00pm. There is no limit to the useless excuses they can create to leave in the middle of the day. This is why employers too often will look for illegals to fill their needs. These people will show up and treat your work like a real job.

holy crap Buff, you just described the work ethic of all the 20 something yr olds i've hired before.
race hasn't been much of a factor in my experience...sure some are better workers than others, but the real factor seems to be age. the 20-something boomer kids (generation Y) are so used to sitting on their fat butts all day playing Nintendo and Sega video games that they forgotten what work is. they grew up around dot.coms, daytrading, and RE investing stories where all you had to do is take a test and come out of college (partying) to earn $80,000 the first day. i've found that they are a generation full of whiney little whimps. i refuse to hire anyone from the ages 20 to 29 knowing they will drag down the other workers, drink my bottled water, and talk on their new cellphone every 10 minutes.

 

[BlueRidgeMark]

so used to sitting on their fat butts all day playing Nintendo and Sega video games that they forgotten what work is.

Wrong.


They never knew.

 

[Treeinnovator]

Wrong.


They never knew.

LOL you're right ...thanks for the correction

 

[buff]

Looks like some of us know the reality of hiring people. If you do not hire under thirty, how about those over thirty? Most of them have found a place to fall down by then and are all crippled up or receive crazy checks. The thing that I choke on is that all of these drunk, dope heads are somebody's father.

 

[Fireaxman]

Re-sized pict

how do you post pictures

KK, Resized this for you to make it easier for us dial ups. 70 to 100k usually gives enough resolution to make the point.

You may have figured it out, but the process is:
1. "Manage Attachments" under "Additional Options" header just below the "Reply" screen
2. "Browse" button
3. Click the drop down arrow on the "Look In" box
4. Change directories to locate your file
5. Highlight your file
6. Click the "Open" button
7. Click "Upload"
8. Close the box. You should see your attachment appear at the top of the "Manage Attachments" box when you get back to the forum reply screen.

Ooops - forgot an important step before number 1. Use PictureIt or something to re-size those meg plus files, out of mercy for us dial-ups.

By the way, really nice piece of equipment.

 

[Treeinnovator]

Looks like some of us know the reality of hiring people. If you do not hire under thirty, how about those over thirty? Most of them have found a place to fall down by then and are all crippled up or receive crazy checks. The thing that I choke on is that all of these drunk, dope heads are somebody's father.

30 to 40 are good hard workers. the best employees are the pre-20yr olds. these kids will work circles around everyone else. full of energy, never complain, never got paid "real" wages so don't know what other tree companies pay, and show up everyday on time.

true story:
this one 18yr old lifted truckloads full of 200lb chunks by himself. the kind that the 20yr olds would make me chop up into smaller pieces. anyways, he busted his a-- all day for a week straight. when i bumped him up a dollar to $9/hr for the hard work, he thought he died and gone to heaven. he went home and bragged to his friends and family. this kid was previously making $6/hr at his other jobs before i hired him.

 

[kkottemann]

fireaxman,
I got the uploading figured out, but i still need to figrue out how to shrink the pic.

That crane is not mine. But it is a beast. It belongs to a local co. He is the only guy I use. I had a few close calls with so other guys. It is a 22 ton with 120' of boom. If I can get him close enough he can take 60-70 footers in one shot.

I'll try another pic.