Can't seem to hire an employee

[Jumper]

when i bumped him up a dollar to $9/hr for the hard work, he thought he died and gone to heaven. he went home and bragged to his friends and family. this kid was previously making $6/hr at his other jobs before i hired him.

So is he still with you, or did he move on to a $10/hr job. Lifting 200 lbs by ones self without MHE is a sure fire way to blow out one's back IMHO. Your 20 year old workers have learned common sence wrt lifting things, plus likely a few labour laws regarding what exactly a single individual is supposed to life on his/her own.

 

[SmokinDodge]

holy crap Buff, you just described the work ethic of all the 20 something yr olds i've hired before.
race hasn't been much of a factor in my experience...sure some are better workers than others, but the real factor seems to be age. the 20-something boomer kids (generation Y) are so used to sitting on their fat butts all day playing Nintendo and Sega video games that they forgotten what work is. they grew up around dot.coms, daytrading, and RE investing stories where all you had to do is take a test and come out of college (partying) to earn $80,000 the first day. i've found that they are a generation full of whiney little whimps. i refuse to hire anyone from the ages 20 to 29 knowing they will drag down the other workers, drink my bottled water, and talk on their new cellphone every 10 minutes.

Try hiring someone that doesn't work at KMart, tard. You aren't going to attract many VALUABLE employees at $8 an hour so why are you suprised that you don't get much out of them?

 

[beowulf343]

Just my two cents:
I'd much rather work with a 50 year old with 30 years of experience in the tree business than an 18 year old fresh from mcdonalds. The 50 year old may be a bit slower but he knows a ton of shortcuts that make the job easier and thus gets it done faster.

Oh wait a minute, I'm only 28 so I don't know the first thing about hard work.

 

[buff]

I am sure you are right but a 50 year old is too old to pull limbs and grunt over chunks all day. In addition to being 50, they will usually have something wore out, damaged or defective that limits their productivity. A 50 year old that has never had a better job and can not get one may not be a good candidate for your job too. And think about it. The only 50 year old with thrity years in the tree business in your organization will eventually be you.

 

[Treeinnovator]

Just my two cents:
I'd much rather work with a 50 year old with 30 years of experience in the tree business than an 18 year old fresh from mcdonalds. The 50 year old may be a bit slower but he knows a ton of shortcuts that make the job easier and thus gets it done faster.

Oh wait a minute, I'm only 28 so I don't know the first thing about hard work.

if you are in the business 30 years and don't own your own company by then...well...

 

[frashdog]

Quote:
Originally Posted by frashdog
yup BOTARDS we call em. Sorry I think that's funny.

Worse off is the A.R.C. True tards, buses with tinted windows, head strapped droolers. They work real cheap, hear some are real strong too, probably wouldn't trust one with a chainsaw though.

True, part of the boces program is dealing with the mentally challenged, but they also have alot of students who just hate school and thus don't apply themselves to their studies. This teaches them a skill they can use so they are not a drain on society.

true that. They do have some worthwile programs.

 

[Sprig]

WTF, high jacked thread?

Ya'll must know, treated right, payed right, creates loyalty= money. So many good posts here about this, grats and goodonya. To the others I have this to say. This pos attitude about 'pay 'em as cheap as they'll come' finally got a post out of me. I am considered a fair man in my circles and when I had my own salvage co. at 19yrs payed more than what some suggest here as today's wages; this is over thirty years ago btw for those to lazy to check peep's profiles. Buncha druken bums they were, fun and worked their guts out, hey, fair to me starts at 100$ a day min. for 6-8hrs no questions. To base ones wages on what others are ripping people off for is unconscionable, on race or culture no better. Fer cripes sakes! If that is what it means to make a living I'd rather be poor than work for a using person. Humans desreve better than that imho. Though the wages here aren't much better than down south for K-mart type stuff there is not anyone worth their weight in pinecones that would do ground work for under 15$ an hour up here, completely insured of course etc.. These are men, so it becomes un-necessary to hire many others at low wages to do the work these people will, when payed right. My last ground job (a huge dougy (120ft 200yr old between houses) took 6rhs max and I walked away with 25+ and hour easily, 8yrs ago. Oh, the water was free, as was lunch and afterwork brews. OMG> It is my experience that says pay 'em great and make them work well out of gratitude. It will always be a 'wheat from chaffe' thing but once you get a good crew there is no better thing, lean, smart, hungry machines happy with their work. Who gives a sht if they learn and leave, the dumber you are the sooner they'll leave, the worse the comp.. You get someone though that has learned a great deal then they deserve to get out on their own if they can and the best you could do is support them (especially if there is tons of work out there in your area) and not look at it as a detriment but an asset.
It could be a consideration that it may not be a case of the people who are being hired, but the folks hiring.

Serge

 

[buff]

I am sorry but we just do not live in the same universe.

 

[Sprig]

That is okay, didn't think living in xxx was any fun anyhow.

Sorry 'bout your luck buff.

:rockn:

 

[Tree Machine]

fair to me starts at 100$ a day min. for 6-8hrs no questions. These are men, so it becomes un-necessary to hire many others at low wages to do the work these people will, when payed right. Serge

I feel its an insult for me to pay below $15 an hour. 'Course, I expect a guy to follow my pace, not his own. At the end of day 1 he either likes the work or not. There's really no sugarcoating the job duties: you're there to pick up sticks. Not glorious, but this is the minimum requirement. And for 15 an hour I DO expect you to be a good stick picker upper.

 

[Sprig]

I feel its an insult for me to pay below $15 an hour. 'Course, I expect a guy to follow my pace, not his own. At the end of day 1 he either likes the work or not. There's really no sugarcoating the job duties: you're there to pick up sticks. Not glorious, but this is the minimum requirement. And for 15 an hour I DO expect you to be a good stick picker upper.

Thanks treemachine, agree, its part of the job man!

 

[clearance]

I am sorry but we just do not live in the same universe.

Your attitude sucks, I would never work for you, loser boss for sure. You do not deserve good help, you want perfection, ha ha, I have worked with guys that had tattoos, alcohol and drug users, with other "defects" (long criminal records, many girlfriends/wives etc.) that outworked "decent" young men half thier age, made them look bad at everything from dragging brush to sharpening saws. Where did you get that name Buff, from dealing, you know, buff in the product, cutting it, stepping on it?

 

[Tree Machine]

Can we, uh, stay on topic.... ?

 

[buff]

CLEARENCE......Once get off of parole and off drugs, the world will look different to you too. Unfortunately, the description of the crew you are a part of is universal.

 

[Tree Machine]

...Gentlemen.......!

 

[Tree Machine]

Puh-leazze.

 

[Tree Machine]

Knock it

 

[Tree Machine]

The fock

 

[Tree Machine]

off.

 

[beowulf343]

What was the topic again? Oh yeah, hiring employees. Kkottemann, this may sound a little strange but bear with me. I ran into a friend of mine today who own his own small tree company. We got to talking and he told me he found some great employees. A local manufacturing company was downsizing and they put a bunch of guys on early retirement(they're in their early to mid fifties.) A couple of them put in applications for part time work to just help them supplement their income. So he tried them out and he loved the way they worked out. They only want part time so instead of two groundies for six days he has eight different guys he uses over the six days. They are always on time, always show up, and are not afraid of working. I asked what he does about heavy lifting and he brought up an interesting point. On a crew with the proper equipment, what heavy lifting is there even on removals? If the branch is too big to drag either cut it down to size or winch it into the chipper. And for the chunks, they simply use a peevey to roll them to the side and he cames back later with a prentice and dump and picks the chunks up. It has seemed to work out extemely well for him.