China/Stihl knockoff?

[056kid]

I would not mind having a 70! How "avalable" are they and what do they cost?

 

[tony marks]

lobo. i have no choice but to agree. we just gotta reach dn and adjust ,to the current situation.
still think its not fair for our workers to have to compete with an absolute power govt,
that dishes out these jobs to who ever holds their mouth rite.these chinese workers are after all the upper blue color workers in their country.

 

[Lobo]

Tony, China represents but an extremely small percentage of all the work our corporations are sending overseas to other countries. But once their profit margins in those other countries start dwindling in a few years they will pull out of those countries and move in to China and neighborhood etc.

 

[mikeshaw]

Maybe you guys are not so familiar with the situation in China. What you hear and see from within USA is NOT 100% true. The truth is, lots Americans are moving their factories into China, and many investments are coming in.... a new JV sponsored by Homedepot has just set up a factory here not far from where I stay for example .... products to be exported have to meet with requirements of the buying country, including safety, certification etc. How possible the China-made knockoffs enter US ? It's funny and absurd to imagine. Nothing can enter USA without your own permission right ? Like the figer prints entry regulation for ALL non-US people... ok I don't wanna be much involved politically or ideologically but it's true that China government DOES involve itself in some business deal, like US FBI is involved in a China-based aquisition, so what ?
Business is business. Myself is looking for good products which I can make in China and sell to USA. Personally I have many years of working experience with Americans and we are still good friends. If we think of business only, then we have lots business to do. But if we envolve ourselves in those ???? ideological or political issues, then we get into troubled water.
BTW, lots Americans come to China.... for sightseeing, business and others....

mike
08:30
30/07/2005
Quzhou, China

 

[Grateful11]

Has anyone looked deeper into the China website and seen this page.

More Chinese Chainsaws

I don't like all this China import stuff either but my wife and I sell quite a bit of stuff on eBay and we're seeing more and more items going to Asian countries especially China. They do want products that can't be bought there especially older collectibles. Their is obvisiously some amount of money being made by indidviduals in China because they're paying more than some over here are welling to pay. I work a full-time job as a CNC Programmer/Machinist for a major railroad. Almost all of our wheels are now coming from India and China. We used to be one of the largest rebuilders on the east coast of hydraulic pumps, motors and cylinders. Now we're buying some pumps from India. The reps that came over said "no rebuild, throw away, it cheaper". If it were up to me I wouldn't buy them but like most places management prevails.
Grateful11

 

[lostone]

OK alot say they would not buy the saw from china, but if china was producing the 1/2" chain would anyone buy it, that is if it was a quality chain?

 

[Cut4fun]

Anyone that buys saws from germany, italy, japan, sweden, etc. Will buy from china too, especially when a remake of the 070 is $190 before the shipping. For that kind of price, who could not at least try one.

 

[Lobo]

All of us are already purchasing goods that are made in China or India or Malaysia or Taiwan or Japan etc. or goods with some Chinese, Indian, Malaysian, Taiwanese, Japanese etc. components in them and we don't realize it. Our north American automobile industry as an example is using more and more components made oveseas as they are of equal or even better quality than what is made here locally but the pricing is far less expensive. More and more electrical tools sold under brand names such as Delta, DeWalt, B&D, Rigid or house brands etc. are made in these countries or have many components supplied by these countries and are then assembled here. The same applies to our electrical appliances in our homes. The same is true of sophiticated manufacturing and production machinery, more and more of it comes from these countries and abroad. The list can go on and on and on and on.

Unfortunately we have taken the attitude over the years that we are the cats MEOW , but have yet much to learn, do and change.

 

[mikeshaw]

quality first, nationality second

All of us are already purchasing goods that are made in China or India or Malaysia or Taiwan or Japan etc. or goods with some Chinese, Indian, Malaysian, Taiwanese, Japanese etc. components in them and we don't realize it. Our north American automobile industry as an example is using more and more components made oveseas as they are of equal or even better quality than what is made here locally but the pricing is far less expensive. More and more electrical tools sold under brand names such as Delta, DeWalt, B&D, Rigid or house brands etc. are made in these countries or have many components supplied by these countries and are then assembled here. The same applies to our electrical appliances in our homes. The same is true of sophiticated manufacturing and production machinery, more and more of it comes from these countries and abroad. The list can go on and on and on and on.

Unfortunately we have taken the attitude over the years that we are the cats MEOW , but have yet much to learn, do and change.

Absolutely right !
Even in China you can never know how many shares there are in a small company, maybe American, maybe French, maybe Italian.... I mean you can not say you will only use US-made or German-made or China-made.... products, one day, everything will be international !
It's the quality that matters, not nationality. :Eye:

mike
21:53
30/07/2005

 

[Vman]

anyone notice that the saws on the "More Chinese Chainsaws " link are rated for 1:25 oil on the specs pages? may that be a subliminal message that the motor steels/alloys are of low quality?

heres the link.. http://www.asia.manufacturers.globa...urers/b/2000000003862/3000000177920/22555.htm

 

[TimberMcPherson]

The small echos come out with 25 to 1 ratio guidelines, but everyone runs them at 40 or 50 to 1. Could be just a safety thing to cover there butts if someone uses lousy oil.

How long has it been since they were made or sold in the US?

 

[Cut4fun]

I thought echos were made in japan. Going by the 452 i tried out said made in japan on it. The new echos I looked at 305 346 said assembled in the usa.

 

[lostone]

I didn't realize asking if it was a 070 knockoff was going to bring this kind of response.

 

[CNYCountry]

Absolutely right !
Even in China you can never know how many shares there are in a small company, maybe American, maybe French, maybe Italian.... I mean you can not say you will only use US-made or German-made or China-made.... products, one day, everything will be international !
It's the quality that matters, not nationality. :Eye:

mike
21:53
30/07/2005

My limited experience with Chinese made car parts is that the steel is horrible, the tolerances and quality control are horrible and I avoid them as best I can. But my experience IS limited...

 

[CNYCountry]

I noticed that this Chinese chainsaw manufacturer is certified to ISO 9000 standards and quality, which so many companies here have not yet achieved.
Most anyone working in quality control even in the USA knows of the importance of this standard if you seriously want to export and deal in the global market place. Many of our North American defunct companies would have done far better, would still be American owned and would probably still be in existance had they gone that way and have done the same.

These things are so deceiving. I know at least with some of these standards you can get by with having some tiny part of your operation certified and then it's OK to hang up a banner saying you're certified with that standard. Big grey areas...

 

[max2cam]

Most of those Chinese chainsaws seem to be either under 50cc or electric, so a copy of one of Stihl's bigger boys would be cool to try out.

Really put it over the hurdles and report back....

 

[Lobo]

These things are so deceiving. I know at least with some of these standards you can get by with having some tiny part of your operation certified and then it's OK to hang up a banner saying you're certified with that standard. Big grey areas...

I think you best research ISO standards and conformity as they are there exactly to prevent what you have posted
I know that in America some companies have tried and did not achieve because of grey areas they did not address or wanted to address. (the big black holes)

ISO standards are not that easy to get certification unless you cover all the bases as intended (The independant auditors who issue certification will see to that). One of the reason many companies in the USA are having difficulty exporting their goods abroad is exactly because of lack of this type of certification which the world outside the USA demands. Limited exports just keeps making the U.S. trade deficit grow and grow and grow month after month, which eventually brings more plant closings, loss of jobs and manufacturing facilities relocated overseas.

 

[woodshop]

Absolutely right !
Even in China you can never know how many shares there are in a small company, maybe American, maybe French, maybe Italian.... I mean you can not say you will only use US-made or German-made or China-made.... products, one day, everything will be international !
It's the quality that matters, not nationality. :Eye:

mike
21:53
30/07/2005

If possible, and I understand often it is not, I try and find out who in mainland China is actually behind making the product. I found out sometimes it is not necessarily mainland Chinese just copying strait out. In many cases Taiwanese, or Japanese or others build and tool the factories. I bought a Chinese piano a few years back after I learned from a Yamaha piano dealer that my particular brand and model piano, although indeed was manufactured in mainland China, was done so in one of the many piano factories in China built by Yamaha, with Yamaha piano building production machinery from Japan, built to same specs as their factories in Japan, but with cheap Chinese labor. Main difference to the end user (my daughters and I) was I paid $4000 for a piano that with the Yamaha name brand on, made in Japan, costs $6000.

Yes there definitely IS some mainland Chinese junk out there... some woodworking machinery that comes from mainland China is definitely inferior (poor castings, poor fit and finish, cheaper metal) than much of the higher end table saws and jointers etc that comes from Taiwan, where Delta, Jet and others make their machines. My point is you can't just go by what country the stuff comes from, you gotta dig a little deeper, and find out who is actually behind the product specs and design.

If I knew that Chinese knockoff chainsaw we are talking about was built to specs with some outside help from people who have had experience building good saws (Makita, Echo.. who knows)... sure I would buy one for that price. Bang for the buck.

 

[tony marks]

yep thats rite lobo.but i dont have a solution . it is a critical situation ,in my opinion tho. we ll see what happens. i guess
to any who think we have anything against the chinese people. if they leveled the playing field and were competing in an free enterprize system. then things would eventually reach an more fair deal for u.s. workers. but under chinas form of absolute govt controll. i still say its not fair to ask the us workers to try somehow to compete in the manufacturing of products.jmo
viva tariffs

 

[max2cam]

Received a set of ball-joints for my Ford Contour yesterday from Autozone.com (w/free shipping to my remote doorstep!)

A big: "MADE IN TURKEY" on the box.

I hope they're not real turkeys......