Chinese Stihl & Husky saws
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koshari
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i wouldnt say that GIO saw was intended to fool anybody into thinking it was a genuine stihl, the ally handle, different colours and generally totally different styling are vastly different to any saws in the stihl 50cc range.
the back handle grip may be simmilay but no more than a husky for that matter,
just like those bauhnAGs being flogged in aus.
Pharod
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to get the discussion back to topic, i feel free to advice you to watch this video: YouTube - Warnung vor nicht konformen Motorsägen‏
perhaps some of you know it already.
perhaps some of you know it already.
Rudolf73
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That particular chainsaw is another version of the "standard" chinese chainsaw which is produced by many different manufactures. It is based on a Redmax G5000 from memory. So, its not a stihl copy/knock off.
I have seen this video before and it shows how good a stihl really is. I think the chinese R & D department has a few things to answer for...
I do feel sorry for that stihl though... poor saw.
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tdi-rick
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Regarding the Chinese economy, this is interesting.
From here Michael Pascoe | US growth going nowhere
From here Michael Pascoe | US growth going nowhere
vw_motorsports
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Holy Crap, I thought you were on crack....Peru, MA? Never heard of it...then I googled it and sure enough you exist! And I live in MA....what an idiot I am.:msp_w00t:
StihlKiwi
ArboristSite Guru
Explaining your own joke? Good one..
ozflea
Good ol' BP Zoom 25-1
Well i'll be buggered they own more of America than you do and your fellow countrymen buy there stuff by the truck load and are too tight to buy American stuff cause its too expensive
Come-on give us chings a break ..... we will luv you for a long long time
ozflea
Good ol' BP Zoom 25-1
There are some good Chinese knock offs around such as SOME versions of the Husky 365. Not ALL of them are good. Just remember that there are literally dozens of factories producing knock off saws and the quality control varies substantially.
I've imported a few from China and the Stihl knockoffs were crap but the Husky 365 knock offs were very very good. I started a thread on AS about the 365's a while ago and copped a bit of a pasting for itMainly because I said they were pretty good saws. If I'd have said they were crap everybody would have agreed but because I actually said they were good war broke out
For me though the best part is that these 365's are a bolt for bolt knock off of the modern 365 version. This means that I can buy 100% of the parts for an absolute steal and a few members here already have some of these parts with no quality issues.
My two Chinese 365's are now running the 76cc BB kits, have muffler mods, have the HD Husky felling spikes fitted, and would surprise a few people with how they run. I used one for 7 hours the other day stumping with a 24" bar and it ran like a clock.
Everybody "wants" to think that everything coming out of China is crap but that's simply not the case.
In saying that though the saws I got were not being sold under the Husky banner and had absolutely no Husqvarna labelling anywhere. I definately have a problem with knock off saws being sold under the guise that they are original.
Well maybe you shouldn't let that cat outta the bag whose side you on your one of the ones causing their problem i might have to report you to Husqvarna ..... ching lover
ozflea
Good ol' BP Zoom 25-1
No offense to you Aussies....but what does your country even manufacture? What drives your economy?(im just curious) What jobs do you guys have to lose? Whether its a good knock off or not..your supporting a communist nation that is basically stealing when they make a product that is a knock off of someone else's and your supporting child labor and or BS wages....and when you do that it has many consequences and they will eventually show their ugly head here very shortly. I still stand by what I said..you guys are idiots for importing BS junk here to the most superior nation in the world..the United States of America. Look at all the technical advancements we have come up with and are generous enough to share with the rest of the world...I mean if it wasnt for us..the chinese wouldn't have much to steal....minus the chainsaws...I bet the germans are pissed about that. Isnt it illegal to import that crap here anyways? :msp_w00t:[/QUOTE]
Well said after you Americans prostituted our market with cheap stuff and took our manfacturing away i'd say its the pot calling the kettle black !
We'll just keep selling more dirt to them Iron Ore so they can sell their stuff to you.
Well said after you Americans prostituted our market with cheap stuff and took our manfacturing away i'd say its the pot calling the kettle black !
We'll just keep selling more dirt to them Iron Ore so they can sell their stuff to you.
ozflea
Good ol' BP Zoom 25-1
I'll supply you my address and the rifle and ammo
I'll even let you touch my Chinese 365's if you like prior to shooting me. While you're at it you'll need a lot of ammo to shoot all of your car manufacturers and everybody else.
Oh and guess what else arrived today?
What do you know, ten 066/660 BB kits from you guessed it, CHINA
I wonder if they actually copied the P&C from Stihl? Well they'd have to wouldn't they?
You are trying to make a very complex worldwide trend sound so simple without looking past the tip of your nose. If you think little old me is spelling the demise for the Western World by buying a couple of copied 365 saws (without Husqvarna labelling etc) you're wrong. By the way, last I heard the 365 was no longer available so when they start copying the 365 X-Torq feel free to complain.
Oh and the genuine Husqvarna HD filter setup fits these Chinese 365 saws nicely as well, as do the 76cc BB kits
I hope your not importing Chinese bullets ............... young fella
ozflea
Good ol' BP Zoom 25-1
Proberly made in china
ozflea
Good ol' BP Zoom 25-1
I reported this counterfeit STIHL MS250 today
Engine: 2-stroke,air cooled
Engine Displacement: 45.4cc
Rated Output Power: 2.2kw
Fuel tank capacity: 0.46L
Oil tank capacity: 0.20L
Cutting Diameter: 16"
Two-cycle oil/Gasoling Mixing Ratio: 1:25
Pitch: 3/8"
Net weight: 5.6kgs Gross weight: 7.02kgs
BNIB - STIHL MS250 Gasoline Chain Saw 16" Bar Chain | eBay
Dobber
ozflea
Good ol' BP Zoom 25-1
For $2000 I would rather have a Solo Twin
I can sell ya one
srb08
Doesn't play well with others
There is a guy in Nixa Mo selling them. Go to Springfield Mo Craigs list and search chainsaw.
ozflea
Good ol' BP Zoom 25-1
We might have to settle for an Echo Twin
Got one of them too
New to the thread.
I have been reading this and it is very interesting I myself like many others do not like to by products made over seas unless I have no choice haveing said that I wonder how maney of us that feel that way have. Buy things from Harbor Freight, Wallmart, or just about any wear else that we think we can save some money. I am guilty and I know it. How about our food do you know how much food you eat comes from over seas. When it comes down to will I by made in the USA or save money what do we chose I wish I could say made in the USA but I can not afford it. Is China making money on us yes. Do they copy our products yes. Do they use our products and tech yes. But it is kind of hard to compete when our goverment has a trade deal that will let them sell a product here that is not as good as what is made here. Why is it Toyota can have a plant here and make cars and sell them to us cheaper than we can make them maybe that they are in right to work state and they are not union. What saws are made in the US. Before you say Stihl I mean made in US not put together here. I know this is alot of questions my point is we the US have got to come to a point that if we are going to be what we once were then we will have to make changes and we need to vote for that kind of change. I am done I will keep using my old Poulans for now or as long as I can find parts and keep them going.
I have been reading this and it is very interesting I myself like many others do not like to by products made over seas unless I have no choice haveing said that I wonder how maney of us that feel that way have. Buy things from Harbor Freight, Wallmart, or just about any wear else that we think we can save some money. I am guilty and I know it. How about our food do you know how much food you eat comes from over seas. When it comes down to will I by made in the USA or save money what do we chose I wish I could say made in the USA but I can not afford it. Is China making money on us yes. Do they copy our products yes. Do they use our products and tech yes. But it is kind of hard to compete when our goverment has a trade deal that will let them sell a product here that is not as good as what is made here. Why is it Toyota can have a plant here and make cars and sell them to us cheaper than we can make them maybe that they are in right to work state and they are not union. What saws are made in the US. Before you say Stihl I mean made in US not put together here. I know this is alot of questions my point is we the US have got to come to a point that if we are going to be what we once were then we will have to make changes and we need to vote for that kind of change. I am done I will keep using my old Poulans for now or as long as I can find parts and keep them going.
Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
I've been thinking about this topic lately since I got my Earthquake 38cc saw. These are marketed/imported by this outfit:
Chainsaw 16" - 38cc Viper Engine - Detail information for Chainsaw 16" - 38cc Viper Engine
They have a nice site, professional looking manuals, post IPLs and claim to be able to provide some parts (have not tried). The saws are clearly RedMax G3800 and G450 based designs, and are retailed by Sears, Tractor Supply and other large chains. They appear to be made by this company:
3800 gasoline chain saw,View chain saw,EMAS Product Details from Taizhou Emas Machine Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com
Chain Saws direct from China (Mainland)
Although there are some very minor differences from the pictures so maybe not.
What I wonder about is that this saw is an exact copy of a G3800 with an exact copy of a Walbro WT carb, to the point that parts will swap. But if they are sold through such large retailers, wouldn't you think they must have permission? Wouldn't that be a huge liability otherwise? It's not the new stuff, it's copies of obsolete products. But then if you look at the other saws they make, there are exact copies of other saws as well as more of these RedMax based units with covers shaped and colored to look like Husky, Stihl and even Poulan. I am curious about the legal status of these saws, and if they have any supply connections to the real stuff.
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The saw itself has inferior quality castings, plastic molding and machining, but it does run. The exhaust port was tiny and the muffler a restrictive cat unit, but those are not production quality issues. With some porting and a MM and the plastic cleaned up it runs great - like a G3800. We'll see how long it lasts but I actually suspect it will do fine. So they can manufacture a saw, and they could do it better if they wanted to. They've got decent designs to start from, and while I suspect local regulations may keep them out of many places they'll get sales in plenty of the rest of the world, and could well become effective competition.
Chainsaw 16" - 38cc Viper Engine - Detail information for Chainsaw 16" - 38cc Viper Engine
They have a nice site, professional looking manuals, post IPLs and claim to be able to provide some parts (have not tried). The saws are clearly RedMax G3800 and G450 based designs, and are retailed by Sears, Tractor Supply and other large chains. They appear to be made by this company:
3800 gasoline chain saw,View chain saw,EMAS Product Details from Taizhou Emas Machine Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com
Chain Saws direct from China (Mainland)
Although there are some very minor differences from the pictures so maybe not.
What I wonder about is that this saw is an exact copy of a G3800 with an exact copy of a Walbro WT carb, to the point that parts will swap. But if they are sold through such large retailers, wouldn't you think they must have permission? Wouldn't that be a huge liability otherwise? It's not the new stuff, it's copies of obsolete products. But then if you look at the other saws they make, there are exact copies of other saws as well as more of these RedMax based units with covers shaped and colored to look like Husky, Stihl and even Poulan. I am curious about the legal status of these saws, and if they have any supply connections to the real stuff.
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The saw itself has inferior quality castings, plastic molding and machining, but it does run. The exhaust port was tiny and the muffler a restrictive cat unit, but those are not production quality issues. With some porting and a MM and the plastic cleaned up it runs great - like a G3800. We'll see how long it lasts but I actually suspect it will do fine. So they can manufacture a saw, and they could do it better if they wanted to. They've got decent designs to start from, and while I suspect local regulations may keep them out of many places they'll get sales in plenty of the rest of the world, and could well become effective competition.
