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Looks like it might be tied wrong on page 77 of the Tree Climbers.
The running end should come around the tree , through the bight, loop over the working end and into a half hitch (instead of under) and come back over the bight.
 
I don't have the TCC in front of me. How does it compare with the illustration on page 38 of the Sherrill catalog?
 
First of all, you should always have the TCC in front of you.
Having said that, it appears proper on page 38.
 
I assume it is two variations of the hitch. The one in Sherrill's catalog is called a cow hitch with a better half. I just checked their website and they don't have the image online for a comparison.
 
The series of pictures in the Sherrill cataloge, should have ended at the second one, at least that's how I seen the knot tied. I don't recall ever seeing the tail going over to do a kind of timber hitch type wrap on one of the standding legs. I don't know what this is supposed to do, other than keep the tail out of the way. If I where using this knot Instead of doing that last step(picture number three), I would use the tail to do one more half hitch around the eye, creating a clove hitch.

Before JPS moves this thread to the dairy forum, I would like to add that the clock hicth works better than this knot anyway. Do you all agree?
 
Thanks for the illustration but I don't see any advantage choosing to use it over the cow hitch.
 
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how'bout this one? from the SCA newsletter.
 
Kevin,
The clock hitch is use for attaching a port-a -wrap. The advantages are it's easier to tie, it's stronger so a smaller rope can be used, it holds the brake closer and lower on the tree which makes taking out the slack easier, and it can be easily rotated on the trunk.
 
Kevin,

I just returned from the rigging training with ArborMaster. They say that it is good practice to use the better half as depicted by JPS.

The better half helps reduce the possibility of the bite slipping over the block.

As you say, it does make more sense.
 
The illustration in the Companion is a variation on the Cow Hitch. Tying off with a Better Half gains just a little more rope efficiency.

Glenn Riggs described the Clock Hitch to me via email several years ago. Any knot/hitch that is easy enough to describe via email moves to the top of the list as far as I'm concerned.

Using the Clock instead of a Cow or Stillson is your choice. The Clock is easier to tie and snug up. The anchor point can be slid around to the best position for rigging too. Besides, you can add another anchor point too. I think that it would be a stronger anchor since the anchor point is tied around two wraps of rope. Sometimes I use a heavy rigging biner and others I use a rigging loop and clip a biner to the steel loop.

With the Clock, the distance between the anchor point and the top of the friction device is shortened because you don't have the eye of the rope adding length. Seems simpler to use the Clock in the long run.

Tom
 
i look at Stillson and Cow hitches as the same knot. Both a girth hitch with a half hitch in the standing end around the working one. i think that a girth itself, descends from a muenter, begetted from the half hitch. Which if the Bowline is the King of all knots, and the Clove the mother as acclaimed; then i must vote the lowly half hitch as the grandmother, for i see it in this muenter, as well as doubled in the clove, and choking the looped tail of the bowline twice etc.!

When i put a Block or Porty on a rope mount i use an adjustable sling or Stillson/Cow Hitch. i have a 2-5' adjustable Whoopie (3' adjustable range) that i append SpanSet Slings to for extra length, joints of steel shackles. The sling lengths are 3, 6 and 12', giving me fair infinite adjsutability between 2 and 26'. Then i have a 12' was supposed to be 4x4 bog Web sling. For extra strength i will bring the hitching around and run it through the Karab holding the rescue pulley etc. More Strength can be also gotten by going to a basket (2 legs of line on device) rather than singlelegged choke formation, but baskets can slide unchecked. A round turn basket (double basket, choke basket) can grab hard and have more strength, but harder to cinch down but about 2.5x as strong.

When i use a girth or other lacing i always make sure that the first turn of the line immediately restricts the anticipated pull of the device when loaded, so as to positively and immediately pull the initial (grandma) half hitch closed and not open. i think in most situations of using any of these lacings we speak of here, that means the first turn on a Porty anchoring hitch should come over to immediately resist the upward pull towards the redirect/load support when loaded; as the first turn in the same mounting for a falsecrotch block would come underneath the working/block tail, so that it immediately resiststs the downward pull on loading. i do this the same as setting an other restriction; if on a taper i might make mini common notches in the side of a limb for the hitch to grab it (if removing the host limb). But on root swell, if i am removing the tree, i can too cut notches, but those notches would be mini humboldts, to lock against the upward pull. i like the Porty mounted low, as it gives more reachable/adjsutable length for pretightening with compression jig etc. Though once we beat that by mounting a block where the Proty would go, then mounted the Porty on another tree 20' away, just to have a reachable, adjustable area (horizontal, low) for us non-JP's to pretighten line with in single compressions quickly; when we ahd a lot of it to do at one time.

i tighten all of them the same, that i think is maximum. For example, in mounting the Porty; i make/adjust the initial half hitch/sling loop, so that it is tightened up too short; it is choked up the neck of the Porty and not at the base. Then i take the Porty (original model) and wrench/leverage the loop down it to the base of the Porty. Sometimes reset, and do again, but if ya stretch it right the first run when you make it too short, and leverage the line/sling down the length stretching more from there, usually it will be very tight. i usually look at the first load as a setting of everything and everyone; after which a fair time for re-evaluation before using again. i use the length of a pulley block as a too short and leverage in strategy, as well as the length of a karab for mounting a rescue pulley etc. with a loop runner(s) etc.

i've been 'better-halfing' stuff i guess for years, for security,as well as cleaning up any extra hanging tail, often lacing it with a bight in a slip formation, rather than the tail (sometimes passing the end tail through the slip for the extra paranoid or clipping a karab in that laced bight). Especially, when passing a line ofver a high crotch of a removal, and clove hitching to the lower backside to pull over. Here it keeps the tail of the line out of the way of the cutter. To me this is only a common sense security, by appending a short Timber Hitch as the next evolution of the lacing.

i break knots into throws and lacings. You can throw a clove onto a post, but you must lace it into a ring. When lacing, it is more common to give the imagery of setting, and tracing tightness and proper lay, machining it to task and mounting, into the knotting i think.
 
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A cow hitch is made with the end of a line. A girth hitch is made with a closed loop of line.

The term 'better half' refers to the fact that, when the half hitch is finished, the tail points in the opposite direction from which it entered the bight. This is considered a more secure termination (and is thus 'better') than forming the half hitch so that the tail exits the half hitch in the same direction as it entered the bight. For example, in the first diagram in JPS's post the tail is to be passed through the bight from left to right. In the next diagram the half hitch is then formed so that the tail passes from right to left. This is a cow hitch with a 'better' half. The illustration in the 2002 (c'mon Sean, where's the 2003) Sherrill catalogue (p. 38) is also a cow hitch with a 'better' half. The illusration in TCC (p. 77, 2nd ed.) is simply a cow hitch with a (worse?) half hitch.

I heard that the term 'Stilson' came about because someone named Stilson formed the knot and named it after themself, not realizing that the knot already had a long history as the cow hitch. The knot is called a 'cow hitch' in Ashley and there is no listing for 'Stilson'.

Mahk
 
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I'm pretty sure Al Gore invented it shortly after inventing the internet.

Thanks for the info, interesting.
 

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