Crappy Stihl Cylinder - Looks like ChiCom Garbage!!!

[edisto]

I'm not fishing for straws and hope Stihl keeps being #1, if "slipping" QC makes them hit rock bottom, I'll eat my crow. Until then, my next OPE might just be a Stihl. I just see a bunch of talk that isn't going to amount to squat. I'd be intrested to hear if Stihl emails any of these fellers back.

That's the frustrating part about most of the posts. People seem to care more THAT Stihl is number one than they do about WHY Stihl is number one.

I see a bunch of talk too, but talk ain't going to keep a ring in one piece while it is rubbing on those transfer edges.

 

[tatra805]

Germany is hit hard now and already during the last years, so i dont expect anything else than german companies looking for cost reductions.

From their side i understand completely and see the scenario. Find another supplier, test his products, analyze the actual failure rate and put it in relation to the warranty period. (remember, each defect after warrantee keeps the dealers busy and helps paying the mass number production of the parts (or do you really think a P&C cost 200$ or more to make))

What was not acceptable in high economic periods where a company is the biggest and best al of a sudden becomes a valid alternative when the economy goes down.

It is taking a risk but i am sure that Stihl did its testing and came to acceptable results. Nobody wants to kill its own company. So far functionality and defect rates.

BTW same story with the carbs. They now are chinese and not japanese. Good for the Ultra-Sonic cleaning device market but a nightmare for my dealer.

Do i agree with this policy? As a customer not. if i would be part of the Stihl management maybe depending on the test results / savings and need. (let us not be arrogant to think the Stihl guys are idiots, so i probably would say yes)

So to this thread:

This cylinder indeed looks crap and below the standard we expect from a company as Stihl.

Will we change it? no. Simple. NO. Unless the desicion shows to be a mistake (higher claims, more defects etcetc) they will not change anything.

Do we have an alternative? YES.


My dealer is p. off with Stihl (carbs, the last low end model quality and much more manufactering problems in the past years than before.) So our local Mr Stihl allowed the enemy in his house.

Hitachi power tools apperantly bought Tanaka and is marketing their garden tool range as Hitachi. "old style optics" but my dealer opened one up and all is stamped made in Japan. All saws are alloy housed, no clamshell designs.
Models go up to 45cc. And my dealer is very clear about it. Mechanical superior than any homeowner range stihl of the last 5-10 years. Half the price of a Stihl and he gets free display of the tools (so no inventory cost) same next day delivery of parts and tools.

His plan? Hitachi-tanaka for all small saws and only the pro series from stihl for anything 45cc up.

I was holding one and if you forget the outdated look of the thing it was actually cutting wood....

Wasnt that the purpose of a chainsaw in the end?


Dont kill each other or your relations about it. $ rules and nothing we will do about it. Ethic or not.

 

[ropensaddle]

That's the frustrating part about most of the posts. People seem to care more THAT Stihl is number one than they do about WHY Stihl is number one.

I see a bunch of talk too, but talk ain't going to keep a ring in one piece while it is rubbing on those transfer edges.

YUP and couple that with what is meant by number one and the denial of the fact that another brand just may share the # 1 in pro class. Ps I saw a great husky commercial this mourning about quality outdoor power equipment for pro's

 

[bookerdog]

Ya know I was going to post a video of steals flagship 441 agaisn't the 576xp. But after this thread I didn't want to give the steal boys a heartattack. They have enough to deal with.:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

 

[ropensaddle]

Ya know I was going to post a video of steals flagship 441 agaisn't the 576xp. But after this thread I didn't want to give the steal boys a heartattack. They have enough to deal with.:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

Yup poor ole 2k and tom t needs a break, them boyz look like ostriches with their heads buried right now; hope their getting enough oxygen down there:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[blsnelling]

Ya know I was going to post a video of steals flagship 441 agaisn't the 576xp. But after this thread I didn't want to give the steal boys a heartattack. They have enough to deal with.:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

Post it up man. Facts are facts. That's what competition is all about. It's good for the consumer.

 

[belgian]

Yup poor ole 2k and tom t needs a break, them boyz look like ostriches with their heads buried right now; hope their getting enough oxygen down there:hmm3grin2orange:

It 'll take more than one ugly cylinder to get them stihl boys down..., hot dayuuummmm.

I am just waiting for the Westcoast Leopard to show up to bite you husky folks in the @ss....:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

 

[blsnelling]

I am just waiting for the Westcoast Leopard to show up to bite you husky folks in the @ss....:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

Looks like he retired at 25,000 posts more than a week ago now.

 

[timberwolf]

I'v seen a couple more new stihl cylinders since the first 460 and 660 that first caught my eye.

This is not just a case of a couple bad jugs on one saw model, these are different molds, cooling fins are in different places, port timing is different, plating is not the same, even the metal used in the casting is clearly not the same.

Perfomance wise too these new jugs don't stack up against the older jugs, and if you want to talk about porting that plating not running to the top of the cylinder limits potential compression gains substantially.

The BB jugs are suddenly looking likea real good replacment option if stihl starts selling these new jugs at the parts counter too.

 

[belgian]

Looks like he retired at 25,000 posts more than a week ago now.

I know, but I miss him already...

 

[parrisw]

Let's find out.
(Just for the sake of breaking a thousand.)

I recently bought a new piston and cylinder kit for my 084, and was a bit surprised and disappointed with the quality of the new piston.

The old piston is 116 grams, the new one is 124.

Overall the new piston seems to be a bit beefier but the quality is horrible.

I plan on doing some modifications to this piston so it’s not a huge deal for me, it just means I have some extra work to do.

If I had bought this as a straight drop in I would have been pissed, as it is I’m not real happy about having to do someone else’s job for them. Seems like quality is slipping everywhere now-a-days.

Oh, but your wrong, it would run. ha ha ha ha ha LOL LOL. what a joke.

I wouldn't like that piston either. Honestly that looks like a Golf piston that I've worked a few over.

I'v seen a couple more new stihl cylinders since the first 460 and 660 that first caught my eye.

This is not just a case of a couple bad jugs on one saw model, these are different molds, cooling fins are in different places, port timing is different, plating is not the same, even the metal used in the casting is clearly not the same.

Perfomance wise too these new jugs don't stack up against the older jugs, and if you want to talk about porting that plating not running to the top of the cylinder limits potential compression gains substantially.

The BB jugs are suddenly looking likea real good replacment option if stihl starts selling these new jugs at the parts counter too.

UH OH. now you heard it from the mighty T-Wolf.



Honestly, If I knew that cylinder looked like that in my saw, every time I ran it I would be worried about it locking up, with the lack of a bevel on those ports.

 

[blsnelling]

I'v seen a couple more new stihl cylinders since the first 460 and 660 that first caught my eye.

This is not just a case of a couple bad jugs on one saw model, these are different molds, cooling fins are in different places, port timing is different, plating is not the same, even the metal used in the casting is clearly not the same.

Perfomance wise too these new jugs don't stack up against the older jugs, and if you want to talk about porting that plating not running to the top of the cylinder limits potential compression gains substantially.

The BB jugs are suddenly looking likea real good replacment option if stihl starts selling these new jugs at the parts counter too.

Thanks for stopping in Brian

 

[2000ssm6]

I see a bunch of talk too, but talk ain't going to keep a ring in one piece while it is rubbing on those transfer edges.

I guess we will never know.

 

[RandyMac]

The way of all things, the rise, the peak, the decline, then Imported knock-offs.

 

[2000ssm6]

Ya know I was going to post a video of steals flagship 441 agaisn't the 576xp. But after this thread I didn't want to give the steal boys a heartattack. They have enough to deal with.:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

Post it up d-bag. I'd love to see a modded saw against a stocker.:monkey: Truth is I like the 576 and have thought about getting one.

 

[parrisw]

Post it up d-bag. I'd love to see a modded saw against a stocker.:monkey: Truth is I like the 576 and have thought about getting one.

Who said anything about modded vs stocker??

 

[2000ssm6]

Who said anything about modded vs stocker??

He just had a 576 modded, which one do you think he is going to put in the video? The faster one or slower?:monkey:

 

[parrisw]

He just had a 576 modded, which one do you think he is going to put in the video? The faster one or slower?:monkey:

Booker is a stand up guy. Hes not like you guys that turn the switch off on a 372 and pretend it wont start. He also has a stock one too.

 

[bookerdog]

He just had a 576 modded, which one do you think he is going to put in the video? The faster one or slower?:monkey:

Now that is a steal trick not mine. I will say though bias or not bias Get a 576xp, Husky got it right. Seriously

 

[2000ssm6]

Booker is a stand up guy. Hes not like you guys that turn the switch off on a 372 and pretend it wont start. He also has a stock one too.

LOL, what a load of crap. Booker would rig a video just like anyone else, not that I expect him too. He has made some pretty good vids so far but saying we are not "stand up" guys is a load.

Yup, he has a stocker, yup I know it's a hair faster than a 441. Now the question is do I care?