Crappy Stihl Cylinder - Looks like ChiCom Garbage!!!

[2000ssm6]

Now that is a steal trick not mine. I will say though bias or not bias Get a 576xp, Husky got it right. Seriously

Yup, so far they are looking like it's finally right. I'll give them some more time though, ya'll would hate for me to get a lemon.:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[epicklein22]

I'v seen a couple more new stihl cylinders since the first 460 and 660 that first caught my eye.

This is not just a case of a couple bad jugs on one saw model, these are different molds, cooling fins are in different places, port timing is different, plating is not the same, even the metal used in the casting is clearly not the same.

Perfomance wise too these new jugs don't stack up against the older jugs, and if you want to talk about porting that plating not running to the top of the cylinder limits potential compression gains substantially.

The BB jugs are suddenly looking likea real good replacment option if stihl starts selling these new jugs at the parts counter too.

Great Post. Now all our questions are answered!!!! So do you just go ahead and port them Brain? Still pulling usual % gains?

Guess if you don't like this cylinder Brad, you are done porting newer stihl saws!

I have a 036 pro here right now with a stihl cylinder. Looks really good, so stihl must have the capabilities to make a good one on their own.

 

[bookerdog]

Yup, so far they are looking like it's finally right. I'll give them some more time though, ya'll would hate for me to get a lemon.:hmm3grin2orange:

Its not that it is finally right. Its is extremly right. The 441 is a good saw but, all around it needs some revamping.

 

[epicklein22]

You obviously haven't read the whole thread. Several builders have reported this lack of quality in several different models of Pro Stihl saws? They were all Stihl castings, not Mahle. Try as you might, the facts are not that this is an anomoly.

Who ever made the post obout a mechanic swapping out a crappy aftermarket cylinder and charging the customer for a Mahle cylinder hit the nail on the head. There is absolutely no difference in what Stihl is doing here.

And to all of you guys that say, "Well if it runs fine, it's not an issue.". Remind me to never let you work on anything I own. I expect more than that when I pay good money for something. I could have done exactly that with the 260 and sent it back ported and running. Instead, I chose to make it my problem and deal with it. I care about my work, my reputation, and won't compromise because it's "not my saw". Sure, I could have just put it back together and sent it back to the owner and let him deal with it. I chose not to. Did I have to? No. I chose to. I'm doing the guy a favor and he's greatful for it and has thanked me for doing so.

And for all you guys that keep harping about no proof of performance issues, I guess you missed the post where the owner told me he was quite disappointed in the performance in the saw. I know, that doesn't necessarily mean that it is down on power, but the owner sure wasn't happy with it.

Bottom line, you're fishing for straws. It's absolutely incredible that some of you would even attemp to defend this. It's because of people like you that corporations get away with it. You don't have to look very far back in history to see what happens when profit becomes more important that quality. You guys are enablers. Period.

At his point, I don't even know what I'm going to do with it. I will be putting the new P&C on the customers 260 reguardless. I may give it back to the dealer just to see what Stihl will do about it. I'd like to know and I'm sure some of you would as well.

Come on Brad, did you take that 180 of yours back to the dealer and demand a new piston and rod? Did you write Stihl and complain about the quality going downhill? Did you stop buying stihl products because of that? Don't give me the excuse that it was a homeowner saw, according to everyone here, it is a stihl and you paid a premium price for it, so it must be superior to other companies. If you didn't do all of that, and stihl buy stihl stuff, I might have to call you a hypocrite. If you really don't like the quality, don't work on them or buy any of their stuff. That is the only real way to voice you dissatisfaction.

 

[2000ssm6]

Its not that it is finally right. Its is extremly right. The 441 is a good saw but, all around it needs some revamping.

Well I was told the 372/2171 would be the end all of 70cc saws, they are good but "extremley right" is not what I thought of those. I'm waiting to see how my 441 runs after being ported, then I will decide.

 

[epicklein22]

Its not that it is finally right. Its is extremly right. The 441 is a good saw but, all around it needs some revamping.

If I was buying a new 441 or 756, it is gonna be the 756. An awesome saw stock, besides that cheap chain adjuster in the bar cover. That is poulan #### right there.

If I was gonna buy any 70cc saw, it would be either a shinny 757, dolmar 7900, a 460 or a 756. If I could cheat a little, I would go with the Solo 681.

 

[2000ssm6]

It 'll take more than one ugly cylinder to get them stihl boys down..., hot dayuuummmm.

I am just waiting for the Westcoast Leopard to show up to bite you husky folks in the @ss....:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

Yup, he would kick some teeth in for sure. Most of these husky guys only have 6-7 teeth in their mouth anyway though.:biggrinbounce2:

 

[bookerdog]

If I was buying a new 441 or 756, it is gonna be the 756. An awesome saw stock, besides that cheap chain adjuster in the bar cover. That is poulan #### right there.

If I was gonna buy any 70cc saw, it would be either a shinny 757, dolmar 7900, a 460 or a 756. If I could cheat a little, I would go with the Solo 681.

Are you talking 576 when you say 756?

 

[bookerdog]

Yup, he would kick some teeth in for sure. Most of these husky guys only have 6-7 teeth in their mouth anyway though.:biggrinbounce2:

LMAO have you guys seen the westcoast Kitten. I don't think he would be kicking many teeth in.

 

[epicklein22]

Are you talking 576 when you say 756?

Ya, my bad. You know what I mean.

 

[parrisw]

LOL, what a load of crap. Booker would rig a video just like anyone else, not that I expect him too. He has made some pretty good vids so far but saying we are not "stand up" guys is a load.

Yup, he has a stocker, yup I know it's a hair faster than a 441. Now the question is do I care?

Whoh dude!!! No need to get so defensive. And for the record, I never said you guys wern't stand up guys. I'm sure you and I would get along great in real life. Cause this ain't all that real if ya know what I mean. I know you don't care that a 576 is faster, but you sure would if a 441 was faster then a 576. LOL dude, take it easy!!

 

[edisto]

OK...this is the same feeling I had watching Randal "Tex" Cobb fight Larry Homes in 1982. It was funny for the first few rounds, then it just got sadder and sadder. By the end it was an absolute tragedy that drove Howard Cosell from the sport of boxing.

Will someone please throw in the towel for the Stihl sycophants?


Stay down!

 

[parrisw]

OK...this is the same feeling I had watching Randal "Tex" Cobb fight Larry Homes in 1982. It was funny for the first few rounds, then it just got sadder and sadder. By the end it was an absolute tragedy that drove Howard Cosell from the sport of boxing.

Will someone please throw in the towel for the Stihl sycophants?


Stay down!

Ya, its kinda like when you were a kid and argued about who's dad could beat up who's dad!!!

 

[THALL10326]

Well well well well

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Well well well, seems the almighty Mahle has gone China and Brazil. What does this mean boys, Mahle is in Dolmar, Stihl and Husky. So we won't find ChiCom garbage in other brands, they only use the Mahle in their brands so I hear, well kizz my hiny. The cylinder in question is a Malhe made in Brazil for Stihl, my my my my. How could the mighty Mahle make a azz out of all these saw builders in the world, all 20 of them. Who's quality was it again thats going down???????

Looks like this thread will surely win the BS Thread of the year now. Sorry Brad but Mahle has made a complete azz out of you and everyone else that was piling on. Are you going to blame Stihl for Mahle going to China and Brazil? Do your homework before you cast those stones. See ya in the funny paper...

 

[epicklein22]

OK...this is the same feeling I had watching Randal "Tex" Cobb fight Larry Homes in 1982. It was funny for the first few rounds, then it just got sadder and sadder. By the end it was an absolute tragedy that drove Howard Cosell from the sport of boxing.

Will someone please throw in the towel for the Stihl sycophants?


Stay down!

Hahaha......that reminds me of Evander Holyfield, who is still fighting and getting his bell wrung.

 

[epicklein22]

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Our filters and our piston and cylinder assemblies for small engines can cope easily with even this sort of challenge, because they are specially tuned to the requirements of our customers. They are produced in Germany, Austria, USA, Brazil, and China.

In Europe, we are the largest supplier in our segment to manufacturers of professional hand-held power equipment such as chain saws, cutters, grinders, blowers, plant spray equipment, and lawnmowers. Our engine components also enable motorcycles and leisure vehicles, such as snowmobiles, personal watercrafts, and all-terrain vehicles, to work reliably. In the development of these high-performance, low-emission engines, we support our customers right from the start with modern development tools."



Well well well, seems the almighty Mahle has gone China and Brazil. What does this mean boys, Mahle is in Dolmar, Stihl and Husky. So we won't find ChiCom garbage in other brands, they only use the Mahle in their brands so I hear, well kizz my hiny. The cylinder in question is a Malhe made in Brazil for Stihl, my my my my. How could the mighty Mahle make a azz out of all these saw builders in the world, all 20 of them. Who's quality was it again thats going down???????

Looks like this thread will surely win the BS Thread of the year now. Sorry Brad but Mahle has made a complete azz out of you and everyone else that was piling on. Are you going to blame Stihl for Mahle going to China and Brazil? Do your homework before you cast those stones. See ya in the funny paper...

Well, this thread is gonna go over 1k and beyond. Thanks THALL for the info......too bad it is bad news for all.

 

[Wild Knight]

Will someone please throw in the towel for the Stihl sycophants?

Sycophants... well don't you just like to cast stones.

 

[bookerdog]

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MAHLE Small Engine Components are worldrenowned among professionals for their reliability and durability. Chain saws are often used in remote regions and have to work flawlessly under the toughest conditions. Finnish lumberjacks, for example, bury their saws in the snow in order to avoid having to transport them to the job site every day.

Our filters and our piston and cylinder assemblies for small engines can cope easily with even this sort of challenge, because they are specially tuned to the requirements of our customers. They are produced in Germany, Austria, USA, Brazil, and China.

In Europe, we are the largest supplier in our segment to manufacturers of professional hand-held power equipment such as chain saws, cutters, grinders, blowers, plant spray equipment, and lawnmowers. Our engine components also enable motorcycles and leisure vehicles, such as snowmobiles, personal watercrafts, and all-terrain vehicles, to work reliably. In the development of these high-performance, low-emission engines, we support our customers right from the start with modern development tools."



Well well well, seems the almighty Mahle has gone China and Brazil. What does this mean boys, Mahle is in Dolmar, Stihl and Husky. So we won't find ChiCom garbage in other brands, they only use the Mahle in their brands so I hear, well kizz my hiny. The cylinder in question is a Malhe made in Brazil for Stihl, my my my my. How could the mighty Mahle make a azz out of all these saw builders in the world, all 20 of them. Who's quality was it again thats going down???????

Looks like this thread will surely win the BS Thread of the year now. Sorry Brad but Mahle has made a complete azz out of you and everyone else that was piling on. Are you going to blame Stihl for Mahle going to China and Brazil? Do your homework before you cast those stones. See ya in the funny paper...

How do you know the cylinder in question is a malhe

 

[THALL10326]

Well, this thread is gonna go over 1k and beyond. Thanks THALL for the info......too bad it is bad news for all.

Well maybe now all the rivers will quit filling with tears and BS. I'll tell ya one thing, if I was the author of this thread I would go crawl under a rock for few days, those that piled on, remember all BS comes full circle sooner or later. I'm a forgiving soul though, Brad and eveyone else, the beer is on me but its brewed in China,

 

[epicklein22]

Well maybe now all the rivers will quit filling with tears and BS. I'll tell ya one thing, if I was the author of this thread I would go crawl under a rock for few days, those that piled on, remember all BS comes full circle sooner or later. I'm a forgiving soul though, Brad and eveyone else, the beer is on me but its brewed in China,

1K posts!!!

I wish people didn't give Eddie Anderson crap and run him off. He would be a wealth of knowledge here. Sorely missed by me and many others.