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Little Cindy Lou Who, from Whosvile in Whosland.
Directioinal falling ?s for the pro's
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Little Cindy Lou Who, from Whosvile in Whosland.
ropensaddle
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I have a question about putting a tree to the ground where you want it, with heavy side lean. I have done a fair bit of reading with techniques mentioned in brief detail, but not enough for me to understand the process. Most of what I get to cut are undesirable trees that are growing anyway but straight, and thus far they usually end up going with the lean. I know it takes more than reading, I am just looking for a good basis to start with. What kind of techniques or combo of techniques are used to get a tree to fall or swing 90* to its lean?
And for a block face cut.... I know it the hinge wood holds longer, but when would it be practical for use.
Thanks guys, trying to learn and not be annoying at the same time.
Here are my words of advice. This may have already been said but i dont have the time to read 11 pages of "do it this way" or "DONT TOUCH IT!". Get a friend who is comfortable in the woods to come take a look at it and see what he thinks. for somthing like this i would use a block and tackle to try and give it some pull in the direction you want it to fall, 90 degree face about 80 percent of the DBH of tree, bore cut and a wedge or two then cut your back strap. this is not me giving you a CLP cert. card or anything, just saying what I would do from what I understand of the situation, and it could easily change if I saw the tree. consider having an arborist come take a gander
bitzer
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Brian the problem is that not too many guys are keen on giving advice that could potentially come back to haunt them in one way or another. But like Gologit once said, usually these types of questions are from guys that have already made up their mind and are just looking for some sort of group validation. You can do your homework all day, read, look at pics and movies, think about mechanics of the wood, use of more equip (other than saw), but at the end of the day its you and the tree. The wood may or may not be sound, wind, etc, lots of variables. That being said here is a good view of a siswheel. Hard to really see the action, but you can see the face alright. I'm not all about promotion of this guy's clips either, hes just got some good stuff and seems pretty down to earth in his manner of talk.
Brian the problem is that not too many guys are keen on giving advice that could potentially come back to haunt them in one way or another. But like Gologit once said, usually these types of questions are from guys that have already made up their mind and are just looking for some sort of group validation. You can do your homework all day, read, look at pics and movies, think about mechanics of the wood, use of more equip (other than saw), but at the end of the day its you and the tree. The wood may or may not be sound, wind, etc, lots of variables. That being said here is a good view of a siswheel. Hard to really see the action, but you can see the face alright. I'm not all about promotion of this guy's clips either, hes just got some good stuff and seems pretty down to earth in his manner of talk.
good post, interesting
Brian13
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Thanks for posting the video. I am not looking for validation!! I truly enjoy working on and operating saws. I look forward to every chance I get to use them. All I am trying to accomplish is to learn enough to not be that moron on youtube. I know it takes more than reading and looking at pictures. But I have to start somewhere. Its all good, I figured I would have better luck here getting a productive discussion, instead of the chainsaw forum. Oh well.
bitzer
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Thats not what I meant by validation. Good discussions are had on this forum. Better than the saw forum. Get some pics up of said tree. A good discusion can yet be had now that most of the crap should have blown by. Read ALL 120 some pages of the falling pics thread. Then come back with some more questions. That will keep you busy.
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stihl 440
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How am i being the dildo?.....every one of my posts where on topic to some extent...
Would you like to explain how i dug MYself into a hole?....
Because maybe everyone thinks you are a poser I think. . . .
stihl 440
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Why would they even think im a poser?.....i sure dont have to impress anybody...i just tell what i know and have expirenced......you can take my statement as a opinion or a fact...i work in the industry and give my advice..thats it.......either way im just trying to help the guy out...WE ARE GETTING WAAAAAAY OFF TOPIC ANYWAY...i have said this numerous times....if what you are going to say has nothing to do with the origional post....please pm me....I WILL respond.....
Brian13
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The way I interpreted it was, when these questions are asked people already have a game plan in mind and are just looking for someone to say yep that how I would do it. I do have a tree to cut a some point that poses some problems I have not had to deal with yet. However I was not wanting to start a this is how I would do it thread. From the time you first see a tree until the time you start the saw up, you have made a decision on how you are going to cut that particular tree down based on as many of the variables you can see. Knowing what you want the tree to do, and then deciding what is going to work best is a process based on knowledge and experience. That is what I am trying to get started. Being able to cut a blockface, or siswheel, or humbolt, or running lines to hold the tree does absolutely no good if you dont know when to apply them or what there limitations are. And this is just a place for me to start, I in no way think after reading a couple of pages on technique I will be a master timber faller, just a little better educated
. I have read all 120 pages of the Falling Pics thread, thats were I got some of my questions from.
bitzer
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The way I interpreted it was, when these questions are asked people already have a game plan in mind and are just looking for someone to say yep that how I would do it. I do have a tree to cut a some point that poses some problems I have not had to deal with yet. However I was not wanting to start a this is how I would do it thread. From the time you first see a tree until the time you start the saw up, you have made a decision on how you are going to cut that particular tree down based on as many of the variables you can see. Knowing what you want the tree to do, and then deciding what is going to work best is a process based on knowledge and experience. That is what I am trying to get started. Being able to cut a blockface, or siswheel, or humbolt, or running lines to hold the tree does absolutely no good if you dont know when to apply them or what there limitations are. And this is just a place for me to start, I in no way think after reading a couple of pages on technique I will be a master timber faller, just a little better educated
You really only have two options for real world experience then. Packing gas for a good pro faller or trial and error. I learned with the second one. You've already got more info than I ever had when I started out. Time on the saw is what you need and a good pair of legs knowing when to move quickly. Lots of walking around the tree. Going through the variables. If I do this, this will happen. Mis-matched cuts will cause this to happen. I can only move a tree this much by doing this. Crown weight, lean, rot, limb-locked trees, etc. There is really no way to explain it sitting in a desk chair. Different types of wood move differently too. I'm not just talking soft and hard here. Each species moves/holds differently as far as I'm concerned and that even changes up here when it gets cold. Its really just time and awareness. Look at your stump and where the tree ended up. If it didn't work go through the scenario of what you could have done differently.
I hung a 30' Red Oak spar into a smaller Oak when I was in deer camp in Northern WI back in Nov. It should have been very routine. The wind was in my face 20 to 30 and it was a pretty tight window, but it should have been no problem. Down hill. Tree was more rotten than it looked and the wood snapped off pre-maturely. Bounced off the outside upright of the next oak and hunkered down real nice between the uprights. It was either piece it down or take them both. Being short of time I took them both. The second one ended up being hollow, but it all came down like a ton of #### just the way I wanted it too. I agonized over the "what if" for days, because I had to take that second tree on my uncle's property. The second tree ended up being a piece of #### too, but if it had been a decent tree I would have really been pissed.
Look up a lot too. Enough time running a saw and you will figure it out.
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I tried Joe I could not find it! I expect you dealt with some doozies though.
Here it is
http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?t=60669&highlight=
I hope you and your family are doing well.
Best wishes.
forestryworks
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Hmmm So if I am a feller, felling trees in tight places properly rigged but started falling down the cliff when loose rock become dislodged I would be a faller,feller,and fellow falling right
lol, fell is past tense, so you're either falling or you ain't :hmm3grin2orange:
ropensaddle
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Wow that ant up there you lol. I done one near that height but not quite long way to the top there for sure and big wood too
Felling is the practice of dropping trees in many books I have read feller. I have only herd faller from you west coast mangs mang. But I would think we are all pretty good fellers and fallers agree:monkey:
forestryworks
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Lol, Rope, don't make me laugh into my beer. You almost went on a tongue twister there.
ropensaddle
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That would be a rodger, rodger:hmm3grin2orange:
A feller is a big tracked machine with an articulated cab and boom:hmm3grin2orange:
ropensaddle
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Felling
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This article is about felling trees. For other uses, see Felling (disambiguation).
Felling is the process of downing individual trees, an element of the task of logging.
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* 1 Methods
o 1.1 Hand felling
o 1.2 Feller buncher
* 2 See also
[edit] Methods
[edit] Hand felling
In hand felling, an axe, saw, or chainsaw is used to drop a tree, followed up by limbing, bucking, and in traditional applications hewing. In the modern commercial logging industry, felling is typically followed by limbing and skidding.
Felling
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
This article is about felling trees. For other uses, see Felling (disambiguation).
Felling is the process of downing individual trees, an element of the task of logging.
Contents
[hide]
* 1 Methods
o 1.1 Hand felling
o 1.2 Feller buncher
* 2 See also
[edit] Methods
[edit] Hand felling
In hand felling, an axe, saw, or chainsaw is used to drop a tree, followed up by limbing, bucking, and in traditional applications hewing. In the modern commercial logging industry, felling is typically followed by limbing and skidding.
