Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
I'm interested to see what a 45cc looks like inside. Those are not direct RedMax copies as near as I can tell, so I'm curious how they did with them.
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Streblerm
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I went for the $40 BIN with free shipping. I've spent more at the bar in one evening with what I'm sure is more regret the day after. I have a friend looking for his first saw. This may just fit the bill.
o8f150
Tree Freak
i did a 45cc,,, its about the same as the 38
o8f150
Tree Freak
it will go out sunday night,, right now i have 2 watchers and i just listed it last night,, i tried to embed the vid but it wouldn't let me,, so i had to just put the title of the vid so they could look it up
Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
I had seen that before the pictured disappeared - from what I could tell it was similar in concept but the parts were different. This often happens when a company starts from building other designs under license and then moves into their own stuff - the first of their designs look a lot like where they started from. Who knows if that is true in this case, it could have been done be RedMax. Anyway, I like looking at different stuff.
diggers_dad
Sawchologist
I'm pretty sure the 45 cc model is a knock-off of the RedMax G450AVS. They look almost identical on the outside.
Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
I'm not familiar with the G450 - if it is similar to the GZ4500 then no. The GZ4000, GZ400 and GZ4500 are very similar construction to the G3800 but with strato. This Earthquake CS3816 is a G3800 clone except for details, and is very light at around 9-1/2lb. The 45cc Earthquake was heavier at 11-1/2lb and the cylinder is tilted the other direction, so it is clearly a different design.
I just found an IPL of a G5000, and it looks like it may be based on that design.
diggers_dad
Sawchologist
G450 was a 1990 design, non strato. IIRC, the "Z" designation in RedMax means it is one of their strato saws. The GZ4500 is a whole different animal than the G450. Same displacement, but worlds apart otherwise.
It looks like someone in China got the specs or reverse engineered some of the older RedMax designs. At least they picked a good design to copy.
Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
OK, I'll keep looking into the G450, but the more I look at the G5000 IPL the more clear it is that this the basic design on the Earthquake 45cc.
People always say that that these are copies, implying they are somehow illegitimate. It would be hard to imagine that saws sold at Sears and TSC as well as many other large chains are stolen illegal copies - I tend to thing Husqvarna would be all over that. RedMax was building the GZ400, which was a GZ4000 made in China, and Ryobi sold it too. Jenn Feng was selling a GZ4000 they built in Taiwan. I think instead that RedMax was licensing these designs, as they could not get their own sales volumes high enough to compete.
These Earthquakes are older G models, not GZ's and I suspect they have the rights to build them. So the Chinese are pumping out a lot of saws based on a very good design. It's ironic - Husky probably bought RedMax for the strato technology and somewhat for the name. They've left the GZ4000 and GZ4500 in the line up for now but everything else has now been replaced by a Husky or Poulan corporate design. But world wide they will end up competing against RedMax's old designs, which turn out to be pretty darn good.
BlueSmoke12
ArboristSite Lurker
Just noticed the seller has some 41cc 16" for sale.
How different would they be than the 38cc?
Any practical performance increase?
How different would they be than the 38cc?
Any practical performance increase?
diggers_dad
Sawchologist
The G5000 is the one on the top, the G450 is on the bottom. They are much alike. I'll have to get an IPL for the Quake to see which one it looks like the most.
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I think you're probably right on the licensing stuff. I know Sears sold the 40/41 cc design as a "Craftsman Professional" and I have the Ryobi version. I think McCulloch had a 4018 that was the same thing also. That would make sense about getting the sales volume up. I also agree on the design being a good one.
Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
Cool! They are pretty similar other than the carb mounting.
I have a McCulloch MS4018PAV - it says it was made in Taiwan but it is identical to the early RedMax GZ4000, and the casting quality is much better than the Earthquake. But that is pretty much cosmetic. Anyway, it's a great saw.
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Dammit Jim; I won two more auction at $45 a piece :taped:
Just have to wait now till more people ask for them :msp_wink:
One will be put in the rafters in the barn for when the prices go sky high then look out freebay :msp_wink:
Just have to wait now till more people ask for them :msp_wink:
One will be put in the rafters in the barn for when the prices go sky high then look out freebay :msp_wink:
That is where all 6 of mine are going.....be crazy to sell em for $45opcorn:
The thing is, we are buying a parts saw and putting up money on a hope that the saws will run. If they don't we aren't out that much, as we know/are willing to fix them. The average person who is looking for a saw should be willing to pay more for a runner.our gambling on if they will work or being able to make them work is worth alot (35.00-75.00 an hour for a repair shop) The point is it is a $179.00 saw if the company would warranty them so $100.00 should be what they are worth after inspection, tuning and mods. Also through thebay we want to assure a buyer a runner if it is sold as such. So.......I need more. Only one so far, it feels left out, the green saws have brothers as do the creamsicles.
Also, thanks again for the introduction to these saws o8 it is rep worthy.
I repped everyone I could but can't hit 08f150 again yet will someone rep him for me?
Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
Well, I can't find an IPL for a G450 or G455, but I did find out they were sold by Tanaka too. Anyway, I'm glad to know where these designs originate, and they may serve as a supply of parts for older RedMax saws. Does anyone know the name of the Chinese company that actually makes these? I think it was back earlier in this thread, but the darn thing is so long now I don't feel like going back and reading through it!
I'm of mixed feelings about what they are "worth". On one hand I think they are worth about $40. The manufacturing quality is poor and the design is an obsolete cast off from RedMax. On the other hand most of what is poor about it is appearance and does not affect function, and the basic design is pretty darn good. Two piece metal case, adjustable chain driven oiler, chrome cylinder, light weight counteracted by tiny ports and a cat muffler (probably to meet emissions). It is yet to be determined how it will hold up, and parts are likely to be an issue - probably robbing parts from other similar saws of various brands is the best bet. When the zombie apocalypse comes you'd probably be better off with a Poulan, as parts are more likely to be available.
I'm of mixed feelings about what they are "worth". On one hand I think they are worth about $40. The manufacturing quality is poor and the design is an obsolete cast off from RedMax. On the other hand most of what is poor about it is appearance and does not affect function, and the basic design is pretty darn good. Two piece metal case, adjustable chain driven oiler, chrome cylinder, light weight counteracted by tiny ports and a cat muffler (probably to meet emissions). It is yet to be determined how it will hold up, and parts are likely to be an issue - probably robbing parts from other similar saws of various brands is the best bet. When the zombie apocalypse comes you'd probably be better off with a Poulan, as parts are more likely to be available.
igpoe
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Has anybody blown one up yet? Other than the obvious cheapness, are there any real flaws in the design? Anybody feel ripped-off by the saw and it's cost? I like both of mine, but I haven't personally cut with either the 38 or the 45. But I have started both and run them
Igpoe
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