Enforcing Safety

[treevet]

I wear a helmet and jacket when I ride my bike but I dont fear it. I drive with a seatbelt on but I dont fear it, I lock my front door at night (most of the time), I put my daughter in a carseat, I put on sunscreen in summer, I wear glasses and earmuffs when operating grinders, I put a cloth on my shoulder when burping our baby, I take the keys out of my vehicle when its unattended.

Its all stuff done almost automatically to prevent a damaging event that MIGHT happen. Wearing a seatbelt doesnt mean I drive like an idiot or ignore the rest of the road rules or drive in fear.

PPE makes everyone safer, people take your work site more seriously if your wearing gear and they are more careful around you. Its also a great trigger for putting you and your crew in the work mindset. Helmet on, game on.

good post

 

[outofmytree]

Anal retentive: "Commonly abbreviated to "anal" is used conversationally to describe a person with such attention to detail that the obsession becomes an annoyance to others, and can be carried out to the detriment of the anal-retentive person. The term derives from Freudian psychoanalysis."

Phooey. I still think my interpretation of what you were saying was funnier.

 

[outofmytree]

I wear a helmet and jacket when I ride my bike but I dont fear it. I drive with a seatbelt on but I dont fear it, I lock my front door at night (most of the time), I put my daughter in a carseat, I put on sunscreen in summer, I wear glasses and earmuffs when operating grinders, I put a cloth on my shoulder when burping our baby, I take the keys out of my vehicle when its unattended.

Its all stuff done almost automatically to prevent a damaging event that MIGHT happen. Wearing a seatbelt doesnt mean I drive like an idiot or ignore the rest of the road rules or drive in fear.

PPE makes everyone safer, people take your work site more seriously if your wearing gear and they are more careful around you. Its also a great trigger for putting you and your crew in the work mindset. Helmet on, game on.

Careful TM. You keep posting common sense and some of it may filter through to our more reckless brethren. Ye gods. They may even start wearing PPE and teaching their crews to do the same! Then where would we be?!

Humour aside.

This post reflects exactly the way I feel about safety and how I operate. It may slow you down, but then so does tying in twice, checking your knots and checking your DZ before you take out a top. To remain profitable and stay safe you need only to factor in this time and adjust your rates to suit. Just the way you did when earlier on you adopted the other safe work habits you use. Give it try.

 

[treevet]

Phooey. I still think my interpretation of what you were saying was funnier.

lol.....you the only one thinks you are real funny. Gotta get back to work

 

[outofmytree]

You wear a hard hat all day on all jobs even when not under a tree Dan and in 100 degree heat?

Awww, c'mon Dave. 100 degrees is warm water for a babies bath. Try cleaning 24 Cocos palms and 2 Washingtonia's in 109 degrees full gear and saw proof pants. I thought you treevets were tough?!

 

[treevet]

Awww, c'mon Dave. 100 degrees is warm water for a babies bath. Try cleaning 24 Cocos palms and 2 Washingtonia's in 109 degrees full gear and saw proof pants. I thought you treevets were tough?!

Yes, we treevets are very tough, but they broke the mold.

You on the other hand.....Last pictures I saw of your job after much hoopla of an upcoming "Huge" crane job turned out to be ...

Somebody else's crew doing all the climbing and rigging and running the job.

Somebody elses truck and chipper chipping all the brush.

Somebody else's crane and crane operator doing the booming.

I think they had you standing on the neighbor's yard and let you have a rake to lean on. Think they had you wearing an apron like out of mum's kitchen too if memory serves me. It was completely chainsaw resistant tho. :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[outofmytree]

Yes, we treevets are very tough, but they broke the mold.

You on the other hand.....Last pictures I saw of your job after much hoopla of an upcoming "Huge" crane job turned out to be ...

Somebody else's crew doing all the climbing and rigging and running the job.

Somebody elses truck and chipper chipping all the brush.

Somebody else's crane and crane operator doing the booming.

I think they had you standing on the neighbor's yard and let you have a rake to lean on. Think they had you wearing an apron like out of mum's kitchen too if memory serves me. It was completely chainsaw resistant tho. :hmm3grin2orange:

Dementia setting in my friend?

There was no climbing. Rigging for a crane in Australia must be done by a licensed rigger which I am not. I ran the job, I chipped the logs and brush.

I don't know what YOU call a big tree but here if it measures 28 metres and weighs over 8 tonnes its big. Especially when it is crammed between a roof and a fence only 2.5 metres apart.

Perhaps you should wear your hardhat during racquetball, it seems you may have concussion....:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[treevet]

I don't know what YOU call a big tree but here if it measures 28 metres and weighs over 8 tonnes its big. Especially when it is crammed between a roof and a fence only 2.5 metres apart.

someday maybe those boys let you cut down da big twee too.:kilt:opcorn:

 

[outofmytree]

someday maybe those boys let you cut down da big twee too.:kilt:opcorn:

I like your dress mate.

 

[1I'dJak]

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The differance is you already live in a socialist country, we are trying to fight from becoming one, its the principals our country was founded on, through blood sweat and tears. Canadians just kinda showed up one day and said... Hi we are Canadians and went on accepting whatever comes their way after that
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How did it come to this? I kinda liked your posts till they started becoming ignorant and boorish...I guess I could take your route and say that's what being American is all about, but then I'd be insulting most of my family...keep it to tree work or spew this crap in the political forum...

 

[Tree Pig]

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The differance is you already live in a socialist country, we are trying to fight from becoming one, its the principals our country was founded on, through blood sweat and tears. Canadians just kinda showed up one day and said... Hi we are Canadians and went on accepting whatever comes their way after that
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How did it come to this? I kinda liked your posts till they started becoming ignorant and boorish...I guess I could take your route and say that's what being American is all about, but then I'd be insulting most of my family...keep it to tree work or spew this crap in the political forum...

Hmm for some reason you decided to duplicate this reply, but I am sure you read it in the other post. Hope you never get cancer then you will see what makes our country so great and why we are fighting to keep the government out of our lives, which had a direct relationship to this post.

As a smart man once said

"Feel free to skip the posts you dont like" FisherCat

 

[treeslayer]

Reading the replies of this post, I can see that there is a lot of resistance towards safety compliance. It indicates the sad state of the tree care industry.

What I got from reading this thread, is our industry does not appreciate the intrusion of Big Govt. into our business. not lack of concern for safety, as much as reluctance for over regulation.

you seem to take it too personal, but you have free agency to follow your own will. but boy, you are going to get apoplexy at this rate.

gotta commend your spirit, but be careful what you wish for. I've done tree work in 10 states in the last 4-5 years, and its the same all over. be grateful you're a good guy.


I've done electrical work since 1981, and have switched over to almost entirely tree work in the last 7-8 years. OSHA and insurance company requirements have strangled that trade with overblown regulations. basic PPE is just plain smart, but a full fall arrest rig to get on a 8' ladder or taller? it gets worse, but I digress.

this is a business that has, and always will attract hacks and crooks. easy money in their eyes, and without our overhead, it is.
the **** makes the real tree guy smell like a rose. I get a lot of satisfaction just knowing I do it right, safe while being affordable for the client.

 

[1I'dJak]

Hmm for some reason you decided to duplicate this reply, but I am sure you read it in the other post. Hope you never get cancer then you will see what makes our country so great and why we are fighting to keep the government out of our lives, which had a direct relationship to this post.

Don't see how my getting cancer makes your country so great...I do understand what overregulation can do to an industry...I also do know what lack of supervision and the downloading of resposibilities can do to a workforce... the BC logging industry has suffered from both...

 

[tree MDS]

Yes, we treevets are very tough, but they broke the mold.

You on the other hand.....Last pictures I saw of your job after much hoopla of an upcoming "Huge" crane job turned out to be ...

Somebody else's crew doing all the climbing and rigging and running the job.

Somebody elses truck and chipper chipping all the brush.

Somebody else's crane and crane operator doing the booming.

I think they had you standing on the neighbor's yard and let you have a rake to lean on. Think they had you wearing an apron like out of mum's kitchen too if memory serv.es me. It was completely chainsaw resistant tho. :hmm3grin2orange:

That was pretty good. I remember that one, lol.

 

[fishercat]

basically it boils down to this...........

What I got from reading this thread, is our industry does not appreciate the intrusion of Big Govt. into our business. not lack of concern for safety, as much as reluctance for over regulation.

you seem to take it too personal, but you have free agency to follow your own will. but boy, you are going to get apoplexy at this rate.

gotta commend your spirit, but be careful what you wish for. I've done tree work in 10 states in the last 4-5 years, and its the same all over. be grateful you're a good guy.


I've done electrical work since 1981, and have switched over to almost entirely tree work in the last 7-8 years. OSHA and insurance company requirements have strangled that trade with overblown regulations. basic PPE is just plain smart, but a full fall arrest rig to get on a 8' ladder or taller? it gets worse, but I digress.

this is a business that has, and always will attract hacks and crooks. easy money in their eyes, and without our overhead, it is.
the **** makes the real tree guy smell like a rose. I get a lot of satisfaction just knowing I do it right, safe while being affordable for the client.

originally,tree guys are tough and self sufficient good old boys and want to be left alone so they can get things done.

along comes the city boy yuppies who were coddled their whole life and now that they are adults they realize they still need someone to hold their hand and tell them it's gonna be all right.

the problem lies in the fact they don't know that there are people in the world who aren't like them.

they still need some overbearing figure to run to for comfort when they don't get their way.

this obviously is not the best profession for them to be in.

or the best country for that matter.

 

[newsawtooth]

Dude...

...you live in Connecticut, I wouldn't exactly call it a rural state. You said yourself Conn is where rules come from. BCMA, lives in Idaho, which is roughly 17 times larger than Conn, with half the people. Not that that has anything to do with the thread. Furthermore, why is it, that if someone disagrees with you, they are instantly branded unpatriotic and unfit for citizenship?

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."-Billy Madison

originally,tree guys are tough and self sufficient good old boys and want to be left alone so they can get things done.

along comes the city boy yuppies who were coddled their whole life and now that they are adults they realize they still need someone to hold their hand and tell them it's gonna be all right.

the problem lies in the fact they don't know that there are people in the world who aren't like them.

they still need some overbearing figure to run to for comfort when they don't get their way.

this obviously is not the best profession for them to be in.

or the best country for that matter.

 

[Tree Pig]

...you live in Connecticut, I wouldn't exactly call it a rural state. You said yourself Conn is where rules come from. BCMA, lives in Idaho, which is roughly 17 times larger than Conn, with half the people. Not that that has anything to do with the thread. Furthermore, why is that if someone disagrees with you, they are instantly branded unpatriotic and unfit for citizenship?

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."-Billy Madison

The part you didnt know is that though he lives in Ct. he is not from Ct.. You know what they say about you assume. But this time it only made an ass out of you.

But just so you do know Ct. does still have very rural areas.

 

[outofmytree]

originally,tree guys are tough and self sufficient good old boys and want to be left alone so they can get things done.

along comes the city boy yuppies who were coddled their whole life and now that they are adults they realize they still need someone to hold their hand and tell them it's gonna be all right.

the problem lies in the fact they don't know that there are people in the world who aren't like them.

they still need some overbearing figure to run to for comfort when they don't get their way.

this obviously is not the best profession for them to be in.

or the best country for that matter.

This is one of the stupidest generalisations you have made to date and that is saying something.

Flick back a few pages and read Timber Mcphersons well written posts. Safety does not equate to cowardice or fear. Safety is about making sure that everyone who works gets to go home alive and well.

Your paranoid posts suggest you fear an OSHA inspection because you know you cannot comply. If you are unable to work safely and within the rules then YOU are probably in the wrong profession.

 

[TimberMcPherson]

a little history

originally,tree guys are tough and self sufficient good old boys and want to be left alone so they can get things done.

along comes the city boy yuppies who were coddled their whole life and now that they are adults they realize they still need someone to hold their hand and tell them it's gonna be all right.

the problem lies in the fact they don't know that there are people in the world who aren't like them.

they still need some overbearing figure to run to for comfort when they don't get their way.

this obviously is not the best profession for them to be in.

or the best country for that matter.

The good ole boys used to be killed in there hundreds because there was no motivation for the large companies that controlled a massive amount of the logging happening world wide when saving lives would have cost them money. Guys died and that was considered "part of the job". Guys were poisoned and that was considered "part of the job", guys were maimed and it was considered "part of the job". Lot of tough guys ended up dead, destitute or crippled for life and died poor, hungry and most importantly, quietly.

The song sixteen tons has a line "I owe my soul to the company store" which is reference to the all to common at the time truck system and associated debt bondage. Many loggers, miners etc didnt get paid money but has an account at the companys store and lived in company owned accomodation. The company store sold goods to there workers at massively inflated prices and rents were very high. Basically you couldnt get away from the company because the cost of working for the company was a little higher than what you were paid for working for the company.

Get hurt or sick on the job and the company doctor might look you over (at your cost) but if you couldnt work and couldnt supply sons to do your job while you recovered, you were thrown out of you home or living quarters and the company auctioned your goods to recover part of the debt you owed them. This practise that was such a huge part of the industry in US, Canada and NZ is still common in countries such as peru and papua new guinea. (and I worked in the cotton industry in Aus where its alive and well)

These tough guys needed support and government regulation/protection so they started forming unions. Alot of lives were saved. And more lives continue to be saved due to reglatory standards to this date, they might not always be welcome, but its only through regulation that there is a general uptake of safety equipment and systems throughout an industry. We only really get our vehicles inspected regularly due to the law, dont we?

Even with major increases in safety equipment and systems, loggers are more productive now than they have ever been. If tough guys want to be left alone then they shouldnt make use of roads, vehicles, banks, houses, electricity, food or fuel as they all have forms of regulation and laws associated with them to ensure they are to a reasonable standard and safe.

 

[treemandan]

The good ole boys used to be killed in there hundreds because there was no motivation for the large companies that controlled a massive amount of the logging happening world wide when saving lives would have cost them money. Guys died and that was considered "part of the job". Guys were poisoned and that was considered "part of the job", guys were maimed and it was considered "part of the job". Lot of tough guys ended up dead, destitute or crippled for life and died poor, hungry and most importantly, quietly.

The song sixteen tons has a line "I owe my soul to the company store" which is reference to the all to common at the time truck system and associated debt bondage. Many loggers, miners etc didnt get paid money but has an account at the companys store and lived in company owned accomodation. The company store sold goods to there workers at massively inflated prices and rents were very high. Basically you couldnt get away from the company because the cost of working for the company was a little higher than what you were paid for working for the company.

Get hurt or sick on the job and the company doctor might look you over (at your cost) but if you couldnt work and couldnt supply sons to do your job while you recovered, you were thrown out of you home or living quarters and the company auctioned your goods to recover part of the debt you owed them. This practise that was such a huge part of the industry in US, Canada and NZ is still common in countries such as peru and papua new guinea. (and I worked in the cotton industry in Aus where its alive and well)

These tough guys needed support and government regulation/protection so they started forming unions. Alot of lives were saved. And more lives continue to be saved due to reglatory standards to this date, they might not always be welcome, but its only through regulation that there is a general uptake of safety equipment and systems throughout an industry. We only really get our vehicles inspected regularly due to the law, dont we?

Even with major increases in safety equipment and systems, loggers are more productive now than they have ever been. If tough guys want to be left alone then they shouldnt make use of roads, vehicles, banks, houses, electricity, food or fuel as they all have forms of regulation and laws associated with them to ensure they are to a reasonable standard and safe.

Yes, if it wasn't for agencies like osha we would not have a leg to stand on.