Ethanol Free gas

[Hermio]

The only carbs you need to leave fuel in due to rubber parts are diaphragm type carbs as found on saws, trimmers, etc. And even then ai am not sure it matters. Maybe @Hermio could speak to that.

No, I can't speak about that. I know that many recommend running a saw dry for extended storage. I am not sure if that is valid or not, but I have been doing it with my 500i when I know I will not be using it for 2 months or more. I assume saws are shipped dry, as they are not a DOT approved storage vessel for gasoline.

 

[Richard Amable]

When at the E0 and E10 mixed pumps you could stick a quart or two into your vehicle first and then fill the Jerry cans or machine. That's what I do with my stump grinder since it fouls up on E10 stuff. I run my truck on E10 without issue.

 

[Hermio]

When at the E0 and E10 mixed pumps you could stick a quart or two into your vehicle first and then fill the Jerry cans or machine. That's what I do with my stump grinder since it fouls up on E10 stuff. I run my truck on E10 without issue.

Good idea. Chickanic recommended that also.

 

[SteveSr]

The only carbs you need to leave fuel in due to rubber parts are diaphragm type carbs as found on saws, trimmers, etc. And even then ai am not sure it matters. Maybe @Hermio could speak to that.

I would like to disagree with this as the multitude of carb kits don't go bad sitting on the shelf without being exposed to fuel. How many carb kits have you installed that are over 5 years old that work perfectly? I know that Zama and possibly Walbro put dates on the packing slip inside their carb kits.

 

[bwalker]

I would like to disagree with this as the multitude of carb kits don't go bad sitting on the shelf without being exposed to fuel. How many carb kits have you installed that are over 5 years old that work perfectly? I know that Zama and possibly Walbro put dates on the packing slip inside their carb kits.

You may be right. However I have seen bad carb kits before from sitting in the shell for a long time.
If I had to guess I think rubber parts just have a shelf life and soaking them in gasoline doesn't do anything to extend this.

 

[JRM]

I'm on the same page. However, the "subsidies" mentioned when talking about the fossil fuel industry often are no such thing. But, that's a different converstion.

People tend to get their wires crossed RE subsidies vs tax breaks. I'm OK with big companies receiving a tax break so long as that money is being used to invest back one way or another.

 

[bwalker]

People tend to get their wires crossed RE subsidies vs tax breaks. I'm OK with big companies receiving a tax break so long as that money is being used to invest back one way or another.

Exactly. Tax breaks is the government stealing a little less from you. Subsidies are a hand out.

 

[SS396driver]

Exactly. Tax breaks is the government stealing a little less from you. Subsidies are a hand out.

Wouldn’t say that’s true about tax breaks in all cases. We have a few large complexes going in with tax breaks . If they didn’t get the tax breaks they wouldn’t have moved here . Most likely would have built condos or cluster homes which would put much more strain on the infrastructure like roads ,schools and sewers .

 

[JRM]

Wouldn’t say that’s true about tax breaks in all cases. We have a few large complexes going in with tax breaks . If they didn’t get the tax breaks they wouldn’t have moved here . Most likely would have built condos or cluster homes which would put much more strain on the infrastructure like roads ,schools and sewers .

Tax break = income (tax) you the company owner are relieved of from paying with the intention that you will reinvest in your business and the community.

Subsidy = Funded by the tax payers and given to a company for you, the owner, to invest in your business. One is income that would have otherwise come out of your pocket the other is not.

 

[SS396driver]

Tax break = income (tax) you the company owner are relieved of from paying with the intention that you will reinvest in your business and the community.

Subsidy = Funded by the tax payers and given to a company for you, the owner, to invest in your business. One is income that would have otherwise come out of your pocket the other is not.

I’m talking about real estate tax breaks not income . Where a company gets a reduced property tax for a number of years . The town does this because the company will be hiring and spur growth in the community.

 

[JRM]

But that's not a subsidy. It's not money generated from tax payers. It's reducing the companies debt they would otherwise owe Gov.
Many people (myself included) qualify for a AUV (Agricultural Use Valuation)
All I have to do is show that I am actively maintaining my woods, eliminating overgrowth/vines/invasive plants, removing unhealthy trees, etc. It reduces my property taxes by around 30% I'd otherwise be responsible for paying. I'm not being paid to do this (subsidy), I am merely reducing my debt to Gov.

 

[SS396driver]

But that's not a subsidy. It's not money generated from tax payers. It's reducing the companies debt they would otherwise owe Gov.
Many people (myself included) qualify for a AUV (Agricultural Use Valuation)
All I have to do is show that I am actively maintaining my woods, eliminating overgrowth/vines/invasive plants, removing unhealthy trees, etc. It reduces my property taxes by around 30% I'd otherwise be responsible for paying. I'm not being paid to do this (subsidy), I am merely reducing my debt to Gov.

Where did you think I called it a subsidy ? It’s a tax break like my friend who owns a horse farm he gets a reduction in his taxes both school and property as long as he stays an active farm .
The warehouse I’m talking about gets the same for I think 10 years . This brings in revenue to the town without the burden of more people as they pay school taxes without sending any kids to schools same with the roads they made their own access roads that they maintain and have their own fire equipment.

 

[JRM]

Where did you think I called it a subsidy

Maybe I misunderstood you. You seemed to of taken issue with BWalkers distinction between the 2 in post 87.

 

[Bill G]

I will check and see what the "nasty corn gas is on Tuesday

 

[SS396driver]

Maybe I misunderstood you. You seemed to of taken issue with BWalkers distinction between the 2 in post 87.

I was responding to his post .

 

[Hermio]

People tend to get their wires crossed RE subsidies vs tax breaks. I'm OK with big companies receiving a tax break so long as that money is being used to invest back one way or another.

I would go further. Corporations should not be taxed at all. They don't really pay taxes; they collect them from their customers and pass them on to the government, making such taxes both hidden from the consumer and regressive. On average, 22 cents of every dollar spent by the consumer is hidden tax. I favor the FairTax plan, though it is unlikely to ever pass.

 

[bwalker]

Maybe I misunderstood you. You seemed to of taken issue with BWalkers distinction between the 2 in post 87.

What I said was accurate..

 

[bwalker]

I would go further. Corporations should not be taxed at all. They don't really pay taxes; they collect them from their customers and pass them on to the government, making such taxes both hidden from the consumer and regressive. On average, 22 cents of every dollar spent by the consumer is hidden tax. I favor the FairTax plan, though it is unlikely to ever pass.

A fact lost on most..

 

[Hermio]

But that's not a subsidy. It's not money generated from tax payers. It's reducing the companies debt they would otherwise owe Gov.
Many people (myself included) qualify for a AUV (Agricultural Use Valuation)
All I have to do is show that I am actively maintaining my woods, eliminating overgrowth/vines/invasive plants, removing unhealthy trees, etc. It reduces my property taxes by around 30% I'd otherwise be responsible for paying. I'm not being paid to do this (subsidy), I am merely reducing my debt to Gov.

In my state (Ohio), tree farming does not qualify as agricultural activity for tax purposes. Fortunately, we have about 20 acres in hay that makes the whole thing qualify.

 

[JRM]

In my state (Ohio), tree farming does not qualify as agricultural activity for tax purposes. Fortunately, we have about 20 acres in hay that makes the whole thing qualify.

It does in my county. Non commercial woodland.