Ethanol Free gas

[lone wolf]

Avgas has more lead than the old leaded auto gas that was sold in the late 70's early 80's. It also has more aromatics than pump gas. The lead scavengers/ detergents used in 100LL are bromide based and nastier than anything in auto gas.
Its also not more refined. What ever that means.
It is more consistent and doesn't contain poor quality streams pump gas does.
Its really stupid to use leaded fuel in hand held equipment.

Im with you on this!

 

[Paul Bunions]

I don't like their fuel pricing practices of jacking it up 30¢/gallon every time some one farts

Sorry. Next time I won't text them.

 

[Bill G]

...Corn lobbyists shouldn't be allowed to make energy policy.

Do you think big oil should?

 

[Paul Bunions]

You can remove the words "corn" and "policy" from my sentence to make it better.

 

[Bill G]

The farm lobby is large and well entrenched.
farmers are always crying poverty, but are huge recipients of government welfare.

Funny

 

[Paul Bunions]

News anchor Sam Donaldson used to make almost 6 figures a year for not raising sheep and mohair goats. He has 11,000 acres, so he's not poor. I got paid to stop growing tobacco. I believe my grandfather got paid for not growing something or other.

 

[bwalker]

Funny

Its anything but funny.

 

[2StrokeFondler]

Well looking at it from a global pollution aspect, I thought that we , and most of the world agreed to reduce pollution emissions and then find that some countries allow the use of nott only ethanol free but even leaded fuel,????? We in Europe can only get E5. Orr even E10 in some countries.....

Don't know where you're from, but here in Austria I could get ethanol free gas at the pump. But it still has some percentage of biofuel in it. It's just not ethanol. No idea how it compares to ethanol fuel in small engines or storage time.

 

[Bill G]

Its anything but funny.

Funny coming from you I should have said.

 

[Bill G]

News anchor Sam Donaldson used to make almost 6 figures a year for not raising sheep and mohair goats. He has 11,000 acres, so he's not poor. I got paid to stop growing tobacco. I believe my grandfather got paid for not growing something or other.

I have never heard of such a thing.

 

[Hermio]

The farm lobby is large and well entrenched.
farmers are always crying poverty, but are huge recipients of government welfare.

The fossil fuel industries also receive government subsidies. I oppose all such subsidies, including for the biofuel industry. Let the market decide!

 

[Hermio]

Let me preface my response with this, I never intend to persuade people to do things, but I try very hard to be accurate, and I do make mistakes sometimes. I also never intend to make people mad, and I do think that people should absolutely do their own research. I guess I assumed the risks of lead are self evident, stupid me.

Unfortunately, the internet is often very inaccurate. I have worked in the aviation industry for over twenty years along with doing tree work, so I have a small amount of experience with Avgas and its use/history. Leaded fuel, in the early years, both auto and aviation, allowed up to approximately 4 g/gal and was slowly reduced to about 2g/gal in the 80’s, then eliminated for “road use”. I would consider half the amount a significant reduction and that is what i was referring to. In addition, modern racing fuel can have as much as 6g/gal which is significantly higher than 2g/gal. On another note, there is also Avgas (G100UL) that has NO lead in it, but also very hard to obtain. I look forward to when it is readily available as I will switch to using it myself.

I agree, the risks are definitely something anyone who chooses to use leaded fuel should consider. As I stated, I think Avgas is the best option because I am able to keep a significant amount on hand and it has proven itself to have an exceptional shelf life along with good operational characteristics. Every saw I run hasn’t given me problems even after sitting with fuel in the saw for long periods. Some saws I may not run for months while others I run every week. I don’t want to worry about what saws i put away with the right fuel and which fuel tank has what type and all that stuff. Again, it’s just my viewpoint.

I am an intermittent user of my saw. I have never had a fuel-related problem even though the saw often sits idle for up to 6 months sometimes. But I would still prefer E0 when I can get it.

 

[bwalker]

The fossil fuel industries also receive government subsidies. I oppose all such subsidies, including for the biofuel industry. Let the market decide!

I'm on the same page. However, the "subsidies" mentioned when talking about the fossil fuel industry often are no such thing. But, that's a different converstion.

 

[bwalker]

Funny coming from you I should have said.

You must be sucking on the government teet.

 

[OM617YOTA]

I've posted stuff showing corn gas is a scam, from economic, environmental, and energy standpoints. Bill disagreed, and shared that he farms corn himself. Draw your own conclusions.

 

[bwalker]

I've posted stuff showing corn gas is a scam, from economic, environmental, and energy standpoints. Bill disagreed, and shared that he farms corn himself. Draw your own conclusions.

No suprise...

 

[Paul Bunions]

Look at the state and federal tax on gasoline and then come back and talk about how the government is too nice to big oil.

Government is the biggest oil company there is, and even better, it takes profit but does not share in losses.

We need to cut the corn states loose.