Falling pics 11/25/09

[Metals406]

Hey Metals, I know the feeling. I sent a couple of uglies between houses a couple of weekends ago. Had a rope up high and someone pullin as I cut. Everything went fine, but I still hate that feeling in the guts. Very high adrenaline. These trees too were a favor. The more variables at play the more #### that can go wrong!

Amen to that!

 

[Hddnis]

Ya' got lucky on that one, roofs are mostly fixable. Those multi-headed buggers always seem to have a mind of their own.

I know that feeling all too well, feel it even on the good drops when I know the tree is going where I want it. It just ain't down safe till it's down safe. I think I've mentioned that I'll wake up at night dreaming about trees falling where they shouldn't, or dropping big branches on a roof. Cold sweat. Wide awake. Panic. Then you realize it's just a dream, and next morning you're back at it, doing the best you know how and taking every precaution you can. You hope and pray that the nightmares stay in your sleep and all the real trees come down soft and safe.



Mr. HE

 

[Samlock]

Ya' got lucky on that one, roofs are mostly fixable. Those multi-headed buggers always seem to have a mind of their own.

I know that feeling all too well, feel it even on the good drops when I know the tree is going where I want it. It just ain't down safe till it's down safe. I think I've mentioned that I'll wake up at night dreaming about trees falling where they shouldn't, or dropping big branches on a roof. Cold sweat. Wide awake. Panic. Then you realize it's just a dream, and next morning you're back at it, doing the best you know how and taking every precaution you can. You hope and pray that the nightmares stay in your sleep and all the real trees come down soft and safe.



Mr. HE

Now you should finally get yourself an insurance. :bait token:

 

[tramp bushler]

I just climb them anymore! Better exercise that way:msp_smile:
Get way up in the tippy top andchunk them down .

 

[northmanlogging]

the one house I hit, we did have it tied off to two trucks, both got stuck... then we tried using a tractor, thats when the holding wood broke... tagged the power lines and the roof. Luck was on my side as the power lines only got stretched a little, and just one rotten shingle got bent a little... the owner an elderly lady was laughing and calling us all heroes... strange day... I did have the honor of standing in a small loader bucket wielding the 046, at full lift...

the 1/2 hour yeah its all rigged up, we just need a big saw hand, be home in time for dinner. turned into a 6 hour adrenaline fest, for one tree...

 

[Hddnis]

Now you should finally get yourself an insurance. :bait token:

I've always been fully insured, some jobs carried a special rider worth several million, as required by the insurance company for the properties we were working on. I'm guessing that was more for personal injury, because none of the buildings would have cost that much to totally rebuild.

I just hate breaking things or hurting people because I messed up.:msp_tongue:




Mr. HEw

 

[tramp bushler]

the one house I hit, we did have it tied off strange day... I did have the honor of standing in a small loader bucket wielding the 046, at full lift...

the 1/2 hour yeah its all rigged up, we just need a big saw hand, be home in time for dinner. turned into a 6 hour adrenaline fest, for one tree...

IMO. it just ain't worth it. The best pair of custom fitted climbing boots, a fancy saddle like the Ergovation and a pile of climbing and rigging lines and gear is ALOT cheaper than higher insurance premiums or having to rebuild something
To say nothing of your reputation.
Once u get used to swinging around in the top of a tree its just work. And it gets to be fun.

 

[Metals406]

Luckily the tension side saved my butt and the shed was only limb-slapped. Full contact would have been extremely destructive. The one leader was 80' and 2' on the butt.

The conundrum is thus:

Gun 5' more to the left (house side), and maybe maximize some wood with a baby-Siz or something. Now what happens? Does he get good traction, get a good pull and cause the tree to drift left of the gun and smack the house eve?

The heart had some Pini rot. . . But the compression and tension side of the hinge revealed they both did their job, considering the side lean. Thinning the compression side can also lead to premature failure during a pull -- I wanted a nice clean hinge across the tree.

Another consideration would have been cutting level negating the lean (which I did), or cutting at a right-angle to the stem, which can swing the tree into lead without a pull, just based on mechanics. Add a pull that works, and does it pull to far? LOL

In the end, I have to agree with Glen -- blocking down some of the stem, then drop a more manageable and controllable spar -- is the 'safer' maneuver.

I just didn't bring my spurs and belt, and really hate spur climbing hard leaners. They're always trying to chuck you under the lean side.

 

[tramp bushler]

Ya sometimes climbing is pretty tough duty. Actually its the single hardest work I've ever done. Right up there with loading 5 cord of 4' pulp on my Dad's truck with a pulp hook. But being under the lean isn't that bad.. if your using 2 wire core flip lines it gives u a better hand hold when your rotating around the tree.

 

[northmanlogging]

I was never real good at climbing, but I tend to get stuck on the bottom side of leaners... I don't do much climbing at all anymore, got a partner that does most of it, he's a little nutty and likes it though...

 

[Metals406]

Ya sometimes climbing is pretty tough duty. Actually its the single hardest work I've ever done. Right up there with loading 5 cord of 4' pulp on my Dad's truck with a pulp hook. But being under the lean isn't that bad.. if your using 2 wire core flip lines it gives u a better hand hold when your rotating around the tree.

I can't afford one good wire-core flipline!

I can't get over what they want fer them damn things.

I was never real good at climbing, but I tend to get stuck on the bottom side of leaners... I don't do much climbing at all anymore, got a partner that does most of it, he's a little nutty and likes it though...

Same here, it's like a cotton pick'n black hole trying to suck me in! LOL

I probably wouldn't mind it if I was SRT and on spurs too. At least then you could hang straight fer a few before getting back on the top side.

One of these days I'll have enough dough to buy a good starter kit fer SRT and go have Cody break me in.

 

[bitzer]

Honestly metals you may have been better off just back cutting and watching the top while it got pulled. At least that way you had more control of where it went instead of letting it all go at once. But then again you said it had a good head lean. Hard for me to say without seeing it. I'm sure you've gone over it in your mind a thousand times now...

 

[Metals406]

Honestly metals you may have been better off just back cutting and watching the top while it got pulled. At least that way you had more control of where it went instead of letting it all go at once. But then again you said it had a good head lean. Hard for me to say without seeing it. I'm sure you've gone over it in your mind a thousand times now...

Oh man, did I ever think that. I even said it to the guy about 15 minutes later, that with a bum pull, I should have just sawed it up and did my best to stay in it and steer.

And it's 1,001 times.

 

[tramp bushler]

I know how it is. You can make your own wire core fliplines. . I've done it with 3 strand laid line and double braid. WesSpur has 3/8" Tenex for 38 cents a foot. . Get a 30' hank of it and u can make up several prussic lines. Use the prussic as your slack adjuster/ rope grab/ acsender .
When I go to the under side, I step down as I rotate. When I go to the high side I usually step up to it. And I use my fliplines to help pull me up.

 

[twochains]

Just a vid I shot the other day...nothing spectacular. I still need to figure the camera angle a bit better. I know the vid is long but check out the big white oak near the end of the vid. I have never seen a tree with...umm...balls??...or are they boobs?? :msp_w00t: Thanks in advance if ya actually watch. Cheers!

FILE0003-1 - YouTube

Heres a short one cutting a shell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7dqoRI1bCE&list=UU_NjqCPS3PCA_PGz4NCZuLA&index=2

 

[bitzer]

Twochains- I say this with utmost respect, you're workin too hard! Thats pretty much how they cut em up here to, but man I'd have those trees down in half the time with the 32" bar I run. Seriously. Not trying to start anything, but when your tip is beyond the far side you can put a lot more wood on the ground a lot faster instead of walking and poking around. Cut everything from one side of the tree on one knee and not having to move until the tree is coming off the stump. You can also look up a lot easier. Limbing and bucking is a hell of lot easier too. I've run short bars and long bars and I definetely put more wood on the ground with a longer bar. Its saved my ass on more than one occaision from bound up wood too. Otherwise I like seeing a video of wood I'm used to seeing.

 

[twochains]

Twochains- I say this with utmost respect, you're workin too hard! Thats pretty much how they cut em up here to, but man I'd have those trees down in half the time with the 32" bar I run. Seriously. Not trying to start anything, but when your tip is beyond the far side you can put a lot more wood on the ground a lot faster instead of walking and poking around. Cut everything from one side of the tree on one knee and not having to move until the tree is coming off the stump. You can also look up a lot easier. Limbing and bucking is a hell of lot easier too. I've run short bars and long bars and I definetely put more wood on the ground with a longer bar. Its saved my ass on more than one occaision from bound up wood too. Otherwise I like seeing a video of wood I'm used to seeing.

Thanks, actually I appreciate your reply, I was afraid I was gonna just get crickets. The vid was taken at the end of my day...prolly not moving fast enough. The vid of the hollow tree I bet is the one you are mostly referring to me running around the tree and poking. I usually only have to do that on those shells. Thanks, I'm sort of embarrassed, but I guess that is what I deserve for putting up a helmet cam vid...they don't hide anything.

So will I have to get a different oiler to run a 32" bar? Or will I be fine, the saw is a 46 mag.

 

[mdavlee]

You may be fine with a 32" on that saw. There are also 30" bars out there also. :thumbup:

 

[northmanlogging]

I run 32" all day long on an 046 and a 461, just max out the oil and don't look back. could probably get away with running a 28" in that stuff though... hard to tell from pictures and video... If your real worried they do make a high volume oiller for em

 

[tramp bushler]

The 460 will pump plenty of oil for a 32" bar. It a standard up here on the coast.

Your cutting looks pretty good. Were it me I would fall some of those harpoons ahead of falling the tree. In the long haul you will get more wood on the ground per year. It reduces the trips to the emergency room.

Thumb, thumb, thumb. One of the things I like about wrap handle bars your thumb can live under the wrap on those top quarter climbing cuts.. . Not picking on ya. If I was bull buckin ya I'd say the same stuff.
You run a good steady pace on the first vid . I didn't have time for the 2 nd.