Falling pics 11/25/09

[bitzer]

You guys can keep on with yer 70cc saws. Saves more wood for me to cut!

Seriously though, when I made the jump from 70-90cc I was cutting another hundred bucks worth of wood a day. From stock to ported another hundred. I'll spend the extra 2-3 bucks on gas to make another hundred or two. Yer arms will get bigger. I go through 2 gallons in 5-6 hours, but the saw only stops to refuel and spin a new chain on.


I got what you were sayin Jon!

 

[chucker]

You guys can keep on with yer 70cc saws. Saves more wood for me to cut!

Seriously though, when I made the jump from 70-90cc I was cutting another hundred bucks worth of wood a day. From stock to ported another hundred. I'll spend the extra 2-3 bucks on gas to make another hundred or two. Yer arms will get bigger. I go through 2 gallons in 5-6 hours, but the saw only stops to refuel and spin a new chain on.


I got what you were sayin Jon!

!! "WELCOME " !! BITZ, TO THE POWER CLUB....... nothing like the feel of power running through your hands that is in your control! LOL KINDA MAKES YOU TINGLE ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF YOUR TOE'S WITH DELIGHT..........

 

[Trx250r180]

Meh... gutted the exhaust on the first 461... didn't do much but make it louder, I hear if you put a 360 ignition module and drop loads of coin on a full build, the 461 is a screamer.

As in full proper port, pop up piston and shave the jug, along with an unlimited coil...

Otherwise the 461 keeps up with a stock 660/066 until you need a bigger bar. And while the 288 may have a leg up on it it does have more cubes... which should really mean a lot more...

Really though, sent 6 hours or so in the bushes today and only burned a tank and 3/4 or so, granted I spent most of that time fighting with black berries... still not sure if they won or not...

I played with coils ,the 360 one will run on the saw ,but best performance you want one off a 460 or a 660 for the 461 ,needs to be a poly flywheel saw ,i have a 460 coil on mine ,can limb a tree now without it bouncing off the rev limiter all the time ,the 461 is strong ported also ,my neighbor heard mine and asked what type of saw it was ,never heard one that sounded so happy he said .

 

[coltont]

70cc saws just don't have the ass. When you get pinched and your running a big hammer more often than not if it's not to bad you can full throttle through the pinch and cut it out. Not with a pee pee 70cc firewood saw. Ha!!!!!!!!

 

[1270d]

But, but, but.... You mean you use your falling saw for limbing???

 

[coltont]

I did once. Then I remember that wasn't the way to do it and walked 900 yards to the truck and got my other saw..

 

[coltont]

I will say that I try not to use my timber saw for cutting up in the landing....... That's two different ways of sharpening.

 

[1270d]

Whew. Good thing. Hate to turn into one of "those guys" that use the same size saw for everything..


I do understand having a different grind or something a bit more durable for landing work.

 

[Trx250r180]

70cc saws just don't have the ass. When you get pinched and your running a big hammer more often than not if it's not to bad you can full throttle through the pinch and cut it out. Not with a pee pee 70cc firewood saw. Ha!!!!!!!!

You just need the right top end on em

 

[coltont]

Leave the rakers higher. The boulders in the ground will be about .0076467% nicer on your chain.

 

[mdavlee]

Leave the rakers higher. The boulders in the ground will be about .0076467% nicer on your chain.

Where in PA are you at? I'm near Berwick this week

 

[coltont]

I'm in Blair county. Bedford county as well . our job is in both ..... Kind on the line I suppose.

 

[mdavlee]

I'm in Blair county. Bedford county as well . our job is in both ..... Kind on the line I suppose.

Ok I was just wondering. I saw a john Deere skidder on the side of 93 today.

 

[coltont]

Not us. We are almost 2 miles off the hard road. Cell phones are useless on site. They are nothing more than a time telling device.

 

[mdavlee]

Not us. We are almost 2 miles off the hard road. Cell phones are useless on site. They are nothing more than a time telling device.

It looks like your 100 miles or a little more away from here. You were just the first PA guy I thought of.

 

[northmanlogging]

Have both 70 ish cc and 90+ cc... The 066 is a bad mofo in the right timber, but most of what I cut isn't real big, so dragging that extra weight for the slower chain speed isn't really worth it.

Keep in mind its 2 different types of timber, our's is tall and loaded with lots of little limbs. Where as the hardwood guys have relatively short timber and a handful of large limbs. Totally makes sense to drag a big cube saw around, where with me I spend most of the day limbing...

Any my landing/skidder saw is a wimpy 260, 50cc... or maybe less.

Though the 066 with an 8 pin and short bar is pretty fun its a little goofy trying to fall a 36" hemlock with a 20" bar on steep ground.. and limbing really sucks.

 

[bitzer]

Have both 70 ish cc and 90+ cc... The 066 is a bad mofo in the right timber, but most of what I cut isn't real big, so dragging that extra weight for the slower chain speed isn't really worth it.

Keep in mind its 2 different types of timber, our's is tall and loaded with lots of little limbs. Where as the hardwood guys have relatively short timber and a handful of large limbs. Totally makes sense to drag a big cube saw around, where with me I spend most of the day limbing...


Any my landing/skidder saw is a wimpy 260, 50cc... or maybe less.

Though the 066 with an 8 pin and short bar is pretty fun its a little goofy trying to fall a 36" hemlock with a 20" bar on steep ground.. and limbing really sucks.

You may change yer mind when the saw is feeding you and paying the bills. I did. I couldn't get enough wood cut in a day. The wife was telling me to file bankruptcy in my first year. The 90cc was a major turning point. Anything less than that and yer just screwing around. Chain speed is going to be faster with a 90cc vs. a 70cc with the same b&c set up in the same wood anyday. They are set to turn the same rpms and one has more torque. A 70cc saw just seems faster. Ask Icepick. He ran a 460 while I ran my 390. Both saws I ported and mm. We've got plenty of limbing to do here too. I know how conifers can be. I think Hammerlogging said it best (paraphrase here) 'a good faller can rip that much harder with a 90cc saw'. We could have this discussion all day I guess. Thats just what I've learned the hard way. Icepick did too.

 

[HuskStihl]

It's different for Stihl guys as the 066/660 is probably no faster than a 461. Once they get their mitts on a 661 they'll feel differently.

 

[treeslayer2003]

really depends on what i'm cutting. big oak, the ported 660. on poplar under 30" the 461 does a fantastic job and is much lighter. however, i am seldom in a hurry falling.

 

[coltont]

I use my 661 for every tree I cut down. I never ever worry about being under powered when I'm chasing a big one then. BTW I put an 8 tooth on the 661 today....... It's a night and day difference compared to the 7 tooth. I'm sticking with the 8. Seems like you can push on it more. I've never really noticed munch of a difference on other saws and switching sprockets. The 661 just plain eats. While it sips fuel.