Falling pics 11/25/09

[northmanlogging]

What do you guys think of this triple hinge thing ? Never heard of it till couple days ago .Must be a east coast type of cut ?

Done this on Cotton woods, coupled with a siswheel, and a some soft dutch, can get a cotton weed to turn a long ways... sometimes...

Alders for the record respond well to a standard siswheel and a soft dutch

 

[northmanlogging]

More of the how to stuff, bit shakey cause... not focusing on the task at hand...

 

[woodfarmer]

A big beech, that’s the 066 with 25” bar sitting down at the far end.

 

[bitzer]

 

[northmanlogging]

whats with the XX?

 

[madhatte]

Well, it's a face, see. Dude is kinda two sheets to the wind, and eating a slice of pie, and happy about it.

 

[northmanlogging]

gawd damnit...

 

[bitzer]

Well, it's a face, see. Dude is kinda two sheets to the wind, and eating a slice of pie, and happy about it.

That's right! That's how I looked Thanksgiving afternoon


And for the record as soon as I see logger Wade I roll my eyes. His stuff is really just a bunch of hocus pocus nonsense.

 

[northmanlogging]

Heres some Hocus pocus fer ya

Had to slip one in there

 

[Chep]

Bitzer. What's up? Had to follow you here from the FF. Have you tried a triple hinge? It works. It can rip a tree around like its hooked to cable. Try it.
Logger wade is a lotta noise but he is a good chopper. His best vids are just him cutting no words.
These are a couple gems of late. Sometimes I'm certain foresters are trying to kill us...
The pine had the 2 uphill leads welded together otherwise I wouldn't have tried it.

 

[KiwiBro]

Heres some Hocus pocus fer ya

Had to slip one in there

Tree down, saw fine, save tree fine.
They say if we ain't living life on the edge, we are taking up too much room.

 

[northmanlogging]

Bitzer. What's up? Had to follow you here from the FF. Have you tried a triple hinge? It works. It can rip a tree around like its hooked to cable. Try it.
Logger wade is a lotta noise but he is a good chopper. His best vids are just him cutting no words.
These are a couple gems of late. Sometimes I'm certain foresters are trying to kill us...
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Youtube siswheel or sizwheel, same effect but easier and lesd "hocus pocus"

 

[bitzer]

Chep- I hope I showed you something useful over there. Nice work on the pine. I probably would have cut the uphill separate from the one on the right but you got er. I cut marms separate as much as possible.

As far as Wade's triple hinge if I need to pull something that hard I just tear the side of the stump out. As long as you have your face set up right it will still clean up and not pull fibers from the butt. Here's a red oak that was hard leaning over this driveway. I had more, better pics somewhere. I get that this one is rotten. But I've done this on clean wood and they clean up well.

 

[KiwiBro]

Youtube siswheel or sizwheel, same effect but easier and lesd "hocus pocus"

We've got some rather brittle fibre gums here where I can't seem to get much benefit with a sizwheel. It'd have to be a tall, like 8 " or more siz/pocket in front of the hinge to have any chance the hinge would hold on rather than break. I was thinking the triple hinge might allow the weight to start shifting a bit earlier/easier and stop the hinge wood from breaking too early in the swing.
But it's just theory in my head which often has no grounding in reality by the time I'm actually there doing it.

It's clear from logger Wade's cutting vidjas that his din din afford him the luxury of dropping the trees exactly where they wanted to go, most of the time. He can clean 'em up and set them in better orientations for the skidders once they are on the ground.

 

[bitzer]

Well I watched the Wade video. The tree didn't swing much if it all. I've split stumps apart like that in the compression side many times and good solid wood too. To hear him say that he's hardly ever seen that tells me he's new to swinging hard leaning trees. I will agree with him that it being a white oak it will hold more but there are other species that hold just as well. That low side needs to get cut off completely in order to get the thing moving and to maintain as much holding wood as possible on the pull side. The wood broke when the face closed. What do you do to prolong that? Throw a snipe on the stump and it will keep it all moving. Set up properly I've pulled some serious hard leaning timber around with little shenanigans. Here's an ash from years ago. You can see the lean of the tree from the curve in the stem. Pulled it about 90 degrees which was damn good I thought considering the little wood I had. Pulled the roots out for several feet. I put a wedge in on the low side so I could get everything cut off. Humboldt and snipe in the face.

 

[bitzer]

We've got some rather brittle fibre gums here where I can't seem to get much benefit with a sizwheel. It'd have to be a tall, like 8 " or more siz/pocket in front of the hinge to have any chance the hinge would hold on rather than break. I was thinking the triple hinge might allow the weight to start shifting a bit earlier/easier and stop the hinge wood from breaking too early in the swing.
But it's just theory in my head which often has no grounding in reality by the time I'm actually there doing it.

It's clear from logger Wade's cutting vidjas that his din din afford him the luxury of dropping the trees exactly where they wanted to go, most of the time. He can clean 'em up and set them in better orientations for the skidders once they are on the ground.

What you can try is a soft dutchman with the siswheel. It will allow the tree to move without putting extra strain on the hold wood. The only problem is you need the room. The tree will set out several feet and any brushing of limbs nearby will stop the movement. Otherwise. Use a wide open face and a snipe. Make sure you get half of your hinge dutched off. Then work from your Dutchman side straight across to your pull side. You kind of leave a long stripe of pull wood from the front of your hinge to the back of the tree. This uses more of the sap wood to help pull the tree. Typically the sap wood has more flex and holds better.

 

[northmanlogging]

We've got some rather brittle fibre gums here where I can't seem to get much benefit with a sizwheel. It'd have to be a tall, like 8 " or more siz/pocket in front of the hinge to have any chance the hinge would hold on rather than break. I was thinking the triple hinge might allow the weight to start shifting a bit earlier/easier and stop the hinge wood from breaking too early in the swing.
But it's just theory in my head which often has no grounding in reality by the time I'm actually there doing it.

It's clear from logger Wade's cutting vidjas that his din din afford him the luxury of dropping the trees exactly where they wanted to go, most of the time. He can clean 'em up and set them in better orientations for the skidders once they are on the ground.

couple a siswheel with the "triple" hinge, I've done this a fair bit on Cotton weeds out here, which are simply the shittiest wood ever, its not a 100% guarantee, but it does seem to make a difference.

Fatter the siz pocket the more you maximize the hold wood, adding that extra slice in the hold wood does allow brittle wood to flex more, but you have to be careful because it can add more variables, especially with poor execution.

Biggest thing about a siswheel is to keep the hinge wood smooth, no gouges from intersecting cuts, and try if you can to connect it to a root swell. The gouges will always be where it breaks off early if it breaks early.

Be aware, that if you are standing on said root swell... it may take you for a ride, usually not like real far, but it is disconcerting when the ground starts shifting below your feets.

 

[KiwiBro]

Thanks for suggestions. Will get the chance to try them in stand of 2-3' DBH gums this Summer and shall report back.

 

[northmanlogging]

Doing dumb stuff, stoopidder

Have I mentioned how much I don't like pushing trees...

 

[KiwiBro]

Mucho pucker factor. And your reward for getting them on the ground without killing yourself is cleaning up the tangled mess. And having done that the land owner comes along and openly wonders WTF you have been doing for the last few hours to have only produced a few logs.