Falling pics 11/25/09

[056kid]

you can try narrowing your face or leaving some kirf to pop the hinge real close to when you have limb problems. Usually gravity will help em down through the mess with no hinge to direct. You are gonna loose some accuracy but its more fun than beating a wedge or worse, getting pinched or getting clocked.

Great work btw!

 

[bitzer]

you can try narrowing your face or leaving some kirf to pop the hinge real close to when you have limb problems. Usually gravity will help em down through the mess with no hinge to direct. You are gonna loose some accuracy but its more fun than beating a wedge or worse, getting pinched or getting clocked.

Great work btw!

Yeah that and a deep face will help some too. Gun till it starts to sit. I've also snipped the hinge on one side to get it to roll as its coming down, but that can get kinda sketchy and can throw #### everywhere, especially in snags.

 

[bitzer]

I was hoping that one limb on the bigger snag would break as it tipped. No go. Lesson learned! Was a big limby pine... almost bull pine status.

Its amazing how those dead branches will hang on. I'd say 9 times out of 10 they won't break even though you'd think they would. Good show though man!

 

[Evan]

awesome thread.
im not in the industry but heres a pic of my last tree, a 46" fir.

 

[forestryworks]

awesome thread.
im not in the industry but heres a pic of my last tree, a 46" fir.

You made that thing smile!

 

[Meadow Beaver]

Yes, you hear tree huggers say trees can cry and scream when cut, but that tree seems to like it.

 

[bitzer]

Nice lookin face Evan!

 

[forestryworks]

The rustiness still shows

33" DBH Oak. Had giant galls or knots all over on the off side.
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The backcut makes me cringe But I will admit I was more focused on that wobbly top than proper backcut placement.
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[forestryworks]

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[bitzer]

Nice Crapper Jameson! It sucks when a gush of stinky water comes with it. Bad backcuts happen. You did change the gun a little on that one though after clearing the face out. Glad you moved the camera around on these though so we can see the face work. Good to see the show!

 

[RandyMac]

Nice Crapper Jameson! It sucks when a gush of stinky water comes with it. Bad backcuts happen. You did change the gun a little on that one though after clearing the face out. Glad you moved the camera around on these though so we can see the face work. Good to see the show!

That is exactly what I was thinking.

 

[forestryworks]

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[bitzer]

Soft dutchman. Not the prettiest stump, but I guess this is what I would consider walking the tree around. Basswood with some back/side lean. You can see how far the first kerf is before it sat down. That could be why its easy to lose it. This one came around a little farther than I wanted it to with a little help from the wind.

 

[STEVEGODSEYJR]

Soft dutchman. Not the prettiest stump, but I guess this is what I would consider walking the tree around. Basswood with some back/side lean. You can see how far the first kerf is before it sat down. That could be why its easy to lose it. This one came around a little farther than I wanted it to with a little help from the wind.

Just exactly how does the soft dutchmen work? seriously..Is there a regular dutchman? steve

 

[hammerlogging]

Yea, sure, a single bypass on the horizontal of the face cut, on the under the lean side. I trust I'll be corrected if thats not just right.

Bitzer man, good work. Depending on the extent, finding a hollow butt adds to the variables, eh? Say, "what have I got to work with here?" Great job, FW, good video, everybody, keep slammin or whatever else it is you do. If you're doing it, might as well rock it!

 

[Rounder]

"Yea, sure, a single bypass on the horizontal of the face cut, on the under the lean side. I trust I'll be corrected if thats not just right."

Got it right by Montana methodolgy - Sam

 

[bitzer]

Thanks Hammer. I've gotten pretty decent over the years about judging the ugliness inside. I knew there would be some rot in this one, but not enough to give me trouble. That being said I should probably establish a face first and then gun the dutch back. The way I did it I was already commited to what I wanted to do. It worked and I got lucky. Not always.

I've got a pic of one in my camera at the shop with only a couple of inches of rind on decent sized log. When I put the face in that one I could reach my arm in all the way to the back. The back cut was gun and run.

 

[bitzer]

Just exactly how does the soft dutchmen work? seriously..Is there a regular dutchman? steve

Steve. Here is some shameless promotion with my own pics, but it should help you get the gist. Regular Dutchman. In the first pic the tree is in the middle with all of the knots on it. The bypass is under the lean like Hammer said and is cut back to where the tree would want to fall naturally. The little chunk out of the stump has nothing to do with the dutchman.

When the tree starts to tip the dutch side closes and breaks the hinge on that side causing the tree to pivot and swing away from the lean out to the face where you want it. When the face closes the other side of the hinge breaks and its all over. There is a limit to how far a tree can be swung like this as is with any method.

The soft dutchman changes the lean gradually because the hinge does not break on the swing side due to the relief cuts below it. Its able to sit down and kind of walk around the stump. With this one its all about keeping the tree moving and watching the top when you're in the back cut. You're trying to fell a tree without having to wedge it where wedging would normally be required. Once its past its halfway point and starts to commit to the face you have to cut the hinge on the swing side (or at least I do). Sometimes the shelves break off and sometimes not. These stayed on the stump, but I went and pushed on the top one afterwards and it was cracked as well as the second one down. Thats about the best I can explain it or at least understand it for now.

 

[Burvol]

Nobody does the piece of pie with Dutchman? Your missing out....roots pulling up under your calks, the tree coming around so far you swear it's gonna smash you, lol. Try it. The siswel cut.

Been chaotic here. I'll be back. Cutting some 4 length fir and pine again. Oh baby :rockn:

 

[Burvol]

The Dutch were considered the sloppiest of all European immigrants in during the Industrial Revolution. Say that was suppose to be a regular face, but had a slight over-cut in the gun line, a "Dutchman" so to speak, as in he would just leave it sloppy and keep going, or lazy. Wedging in the 1800's did not really exist other than for the unexpected wind shift, sit back, ect. They dumped em' where they laid, and stopped bucking where the big limbs started.