RandyMac
Stiff Member
Hah ha, hadn't heard that one. So, I suppose my ancestors just did with a backcut.
Falling pics 11/25/09
- Thread starter Burvol
- Start date
Help Support Arborist Forum:
Burvol
Bullbuck
Steve. Here is some shameless promotion with my own pics, but it should help you get the gist. Regular Dutchman. In the first pic the tree is in the middle with all of the knots on it. The bypass is under the lean like Hammer said and is cut back to where the tree would want to fall naturally. The little chunk out of the stump has nothing to do with the dutchman.
When the tree starts to tip the dutch side closes and breaks the hinge on that side causing the tree to pivot and swing away from the lean out to the face where you want it. When the face closes the other side of the hinge breaks and its all over. There is a limit to how far a tree can be swung like this as is with any method.
The soft dutchman changes the lean gradually because the hinge does not break on the swing side due to the relief cuts below it. Its able to sit down and kind of walk around the stump. With this one its all about keeping the tree moving and watching the top when you're in the back cut. You're trying to fell a tree without having to wedge it where wedging would normally be required. Once its past its halfway point and starts to commit to the face you have to cut the hinge on the swing side (or at least I do). Sometimes the shelves break off and sometimes not. These stayed on the stump, but I went and pushed on the top one afterwards and it was cracked as well as the second one down. Thats about the best I can explain it or at least understand it for now.
That's hardwood world though. Our conifers do and can break off, but generally they don't compared to your wood on the swing. That's where the siswel comes into play. It takes the hinge out of that "vice" that holds all the pressure. After awhile you'll figure out the suicide swing, which in most cases is just as effective, and is way faster. I use it a fair bit, but most times it's subconsious. Pull out the Dutchman on the really bad stuff. Suicide swing works by sawing up your side almost all the way (think, make tree start moving, not sitting like Dutch), then reaching over and cutting your corner up or off, and then peeling the rest of the hinge back around to you.
Last edited:
Burvol
Bullbuck
Dutch might well be a corruption of the word Deutch (Sp? I took classes in Spanish for a reason! which would mean German.
Just some trivia for this morning's conversation. :biggrinbounce2:
Just some trivia for this morning's conversation. :biggrinbounce2:
RandyMac
Stiff Member
Fu$&ing RandyI knew it!
I just couldn't bare to tell you.
LMAO!!!
Not many trees in the old country, mostly rocks and viking bones. I bet they went ape#### here and didn't quit.
I misplaced your number, please PM it if you would be so kind.
A chaotic life is interesting, is it not?
bitzer
******** Timber Expert
Thanks for the tip Burv. I've been thinking about trying the siswel out. I had an elm yesterday That I should have tried it on. Though about it, but dutched it and settled for the results. If I could have really pulled it around it would have been easier to skid laying it parallel to the road. Ended up at about a 45 to the road. Still worked but could have been better. Elm is pretty stringy and I think it would hold well.
So with the siswel there is no dutch on the far side? I'd been thinking I'd need both. I think crown weight plays more of a factor over here. Really just the right situation and the right tree to use it on. Enough room to move.
Last edited:
earache
ArboristSite Operative
Great thread. Love the pics!!! Here is a poor quality pic that I took with my cell phone of a red oak that I felled July of this year. Walkerized 372XP with 28" bar. I will post up a few more.
Last edited:
Your link no worky.
earache
ArboristSite Operative
Should work now. Sorry about that, hadn't posted a pic in this manner before. I'll catch on...
Pretty tree, try sizing it up alittle with paint. I think that will work..
earache
ArboristSite Operative
Here is another red oak from the same day. Bucked this one into 8's.
Last edited:
earache
ArboristSite Operative
This is another poor quality cell phone pic, but I digress. This was a soft maple with a real low split. I had just about cut through the side that peeled off and POP, it came apart. Real quick-like. And, yes I was standing on the stupid side. I ducked and weaved JUST in time as, SWOOOSH, right past my melon. By the time I had taken this pic the side that is cut had settled a ways. How do you get the cobwebs out before they get knocked out!?!
Last edited:
paint???
Paint what?
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
And, what color of paint would you be usin'? :rant:
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Pink?
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Just plodding along. . . You been working or playing semi-retired?
LOLOLOL....Both. Too much of one and not enough of the other. The phone keeps ringing and I keep answering it...I'll never learn. Too many people think that 'cause I got gray hair, wrinkles, worn out boots , big saws, and a grouchy attitude, that I know what I'm doing.
I am planning on working harder at being semi-retired. It's a lot more fun.
