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never operated a 365. but so far of the saws ive owned the 036 is the best stock saw ive ever used. it can handle a 20 inch easy inb hardwood. with sharp chain its the best in my arsenal and a pleasure to operate at 12.5 dry wt wob.
no im not selling the 028. in fact im thinking more now of mabe having it pp.
when im ready to do that.
 
Larry,

I wish i had the answer for you regarding leaking oil. It has been a tradition for that family of saws to do this. I have heard that the black permatex silicone will seal the oil line where it plugs into the crankcase. I have never tried it personally but have heard positive results from the customers i have relayed this information to.

Terry
 
A little oil leak is a good tradeoff for such a solid performer, just wish more dealers were available. Also got a 120si, super saw just like it's little brother .
 
Glad to hear your thoughts about the oil leak. Not everyone feels the same way.
The 120Si has always been a kick@ss saw, but due to EPA it is gone forever.
I do feel that the replacement family of the PS6400, 7300 and 7900 are going to be even better. Lighter weight, more power and better balance. As with any new product some things come up and we have made some changes to this family to reduce any downtime. Check one out if your needs call for a saw in the 64-79 cc range. I think you will find them a value.
Terry
 
Is the Dolmar PS6000I gone know? I just bought all my current distirbator had two weeks ago, and they are not sure if I can get any more for awhile.
 
Many will probably laugh at this answer, but all else as equal as possible, I would say price is probably as good of measure as any. For instance what whould you expect to be the fastest, a 362 or a 365, a 351sp or a 351
 
Many saws leak chain oil. My saws always ride up front with me laid on their side fuel & oil caps up. Also cuts down on pilferage.
 
Hi Rich,

What`s your point regarding that thread? Ultimately the 346 did prove to be faster than the 2149, and those of us who have run the 2149 or 351 stock know that it isn`t a race. Once you introduce the variable of anyone modifying either saw, all bets are off because who knows if both saws were ported and otherwise worked over the same way, and if they were, is that appropriate given that there are major differences in the transfers? Are you suggesting that a Power Ported 2149 would be in the same game as your PP`d 346s? If that`s the case, I`d love to see it proven. That thread has BS written all over it.

In my opinion, that thread was fun while it lasted but it really didn`t enlighten anyone.

Russ
 
Originally posted by jokers
Hi Rich,

What`s your point regarding that thread? Ultimately the 346 did prove to be faster than the 2149, and those of us who have run the 2149 or 351 stock know that it isn`t a race. Once you introduce the variable of anyone modifying either saw, all bets are off because who knows if both saws were ported and otherwise worked over the same way, and if they were, is that appropriate given that there are major differences in the transfers? Are you suggesting that a Power Ported 2149 would be in the same game as your PP`d 346s? If that`s the case, I`d love to see it proven. That thread has BS written all over it.

In my opinion, that thread was fun while it lasted but it really didn`t enlighten anyone.

Russ

I said that it was an interesting thread, thats all. I never put more into it than that.
 
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Hi Russ, Rich doesn't have the best verbal reasoning at times, so try not to be to tough on him.
What Rich was trying to say was:
All saws are not created equal.........

Then there are those that are Power Ported..........

John
 
I`m not trying to be hard on Rich, sorry if I am. I consider Rich a friend and just want to know what he`s thinking.

Russ
 
Yea the 6000i is discontinued from production. We no longer have them in stock at Makita USA. Some distributors may still have some but not many.
Terry
 
Rich
I have ported a few of those 2149s.
Just think of them as a 7900, they don't take to porting very well. All of the gains come from the mufflers.
Later
Dan

Keystone Weird
 
Russ, just to throw something in regarding the creative advertising thread...I built both of those saws with the exact same porting figures..(I have them written in my notebook for reference)...they have identical mufflers. I did them at the same time, with the same tools...on the same bench, just to see what the differences really were....and it came down to the saws running identical....except that the 346 is less displacement..so that gave it the edge...closed ports are better than open is what it amounted to...It also told me that the saw running at 14700 rpm unloaded, was slower than richening them up to 13500rpm...we had the same bar and chain and operator for all cuts....I think we were as consistent as we could get given all things. This was the point of that whole thread...
 
Hey Dennis,

I don`t mean to imply that you weren`t as consistent as possible or that you had any agenda to mislead or anything of that nature. Just that I`m not onboard with what you guys ultimately decided was fact.

Let me be the first to openly say that I don`t know jack about building a two stroke, so there`s no possible way that I can say that what you did to these saws was wrong, but I`ve got a few questions. If you don`t feel like answering them, that`s fine, someone will. And try not to take my queries as personal attacks, the way that someone else has. I am not trying to draw anyone into any kind of fray, but nothing beats being able to ask the guys who understand and build these engines, how they work.

Here`s the gig, so let me establish my baseline experience with these saws for reference. Everyone on this site pretty much consider Walkerized saws to be pretty mild compared to what the resident builders here produce. This opinion seems to be especially prevalent among people whom I believe have never compared a Walkerized saw to anything else, and of course those who have run properly and highly modified saws. MY modified 346 that I use as a baseline for all other 3 cube saws, especially those made by Husky or Jonsered was done by Walkers.

I`ve played all over the rpm range between 13,500 and 15,200 rpms with my Walkerized 346. It still 4 strokes at 15K and has the fastest cut times running between 14.5k and 14.7k. If I ran my 346 at 13,500 it would be way down on speed in the cut and I`ve proven this to myself. I haven`t even seen a stock 346 that wants to run best at 13.5k. So from my limited understanding of what you do when you alter the ports in a saw like this, you increase the degrees of duration. Doesn`t increased duration enhance high rpm operation by shifting the powerband to a higher rpm, and actually cause your max theoretical and real rpm where you are 4 stroking out of the cut to increase? Isn`t that the same reason that you could take your street beater truck with peak horsepower of 260 @ somewhere around 4,200 rpm, throw a cam with more duration in it and increase peak HP to 300 at 5,000 rpm? Of course this is a very simplistic description of how I understand things to work and I have omitted other aspects of operation that are affected. If increasing the degrees of duration isn`t meant to move the powerband higher, what is it done for? You can see where I`m headed with that thought. 13,500 is way too slow, hence rich for these saws.

Like I said earlier, I don`t know jack about two stroke tuning, but I do believe that a person could take a properly ported two stroke barrel and totally alter how the engine runs based on compression ratio and squish. Higher compression in a gas motor is generally speaking, a good thing, right? But what happens if you eliminate some of your squish clearance to obtain it, let`s say by eliminating the base gasket or milling the base without correcting the squish? Reasoning these things through my mind tells me that you could take away a significant portion of your top end punch. I`d sincerely like to be corrected if I`m wrong. I`ve never asked you or any other builder what his "numbers" are because I figure that`s proprietary information that you guys have earned. Consequently, I`m merely speculating and don`t mean in any way to be pointing a finger at anyone or any aspect of a build. Just thinking out loud so to speak and trying to rationalize my personal experiences.

There are other factors as well, many of which I`m sure that I have no inkling of understanding. If anyone wants to enlighten me, that would be welcome and I would also be grateful. I`m just trying to look at what I consider the most likely factors of two models of saw that are the same from the base of the cylinder on down but typically have distinctly different personalities.

This should be enough to get the discussion started, eh? It also gives all of you guys who want to prove that I`m a dumbfvck enough information to work with, LOL. :D

Russ
 

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