Fecon/Rayco Deutz engine issues

[driftless]

Hi all,

I'm dealing with a Fecon/Deutz engine failure. If anyone on here is dealing with, or has experienced, a similar failure (or a Rayco/Deutz failure), please contact me.

Jesse Bennett
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[CentaurG2]

You will need to give us a little more information. I have run Deutz diesels in the past and they are almost indestructible. What problems are you having??

 

[TDunk]

You will need to give us a little more information. I have run Deutz diesels in the past and they are almost indestructible. What problems are you having??

That's kind of what i was thinking. The only time i've ever seen those go bad is from operator error.

 

[driftless]

Those having this issue will know what I'm talking about. Fecon FTX90s and Rayco C87s were made with Deutz engines that deliver fuel incorrectly and fail prematurely. They replace the original with a Deutz EMR engine or a Yanmar. I'm dealing with one now and looking for others with similar experience.

Jesse Bennett
[email protected]

 

[Curbside]

The only time I've seen problems with the Deutz is when Bobcat used them in the large frame loaders. The owners who ran the crap out of them seemed to have no problems the ones that let them idle for long times and treated them real nice seemed to have problems. The word I know about the Deutz is treat it bad and punnish it and they run forever.

 

[CentaurG2]

The old stationary Detroit’s were reported to have similar problems. If left to idle, the diesel would “wash” down the cylinder and quickly ruin the motor. Either off or max RPM and they were fine. Sorry to hear about your troubles but I will look out for these engines in the future.

 

[TDunk]

The old stationary Detroit’s were reported to have similar problems. If left to idle, the diesel would “wash” down the cylinder and quickly ruin the motor. Either off or max RPM and they were fine. Sorry to hear about your troubles but I will look out for these engines in the future.

I was told by an old time truck driver that to drive a detroit,you have to slam your hand in the door and drive pissed all day. That is the only way to drive them.

 

[Mowingman]

I have heard about that engine problem in the Fecon/Rayco units. If you look at for sale adds, you see those models and they all say they have xxx hours on the machine, but a lower hour engine in them. The reason is, as was stated. There is a problem with that engine in those model of mulchers.
I believe some Carlton stumpo grinders also had failures on their Deutz engines.
Jeff

 

[JohnH]

Knock on wood ours is still holding together. We have 1250 hrs on it. I have heard of a lot of engine faliures.

 

[mini14]

http://deutzdieselengine.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1448sQ83GrY

 

[TDunk]

http://deutzdieselengine.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1448sQ83GrY

Huh, learn something new everyday.

 

[CentaurG2]

Man that just plain stinks. I have always had nothing but good things to say about deutz but that is a real eye opener. I hope everything works out for you guys.

 

[Curbside]

Boy oh boy. If this is the case I think Carlton has a lot of explaining to do. At this point my respect level is at zero. If they are monitoring this site they better start doing some speaking.

 

[Curbside]

I just looked at the manuel and sure enough it says not to operate at more than 25 degrees. How can anyone do stumps and not go to 25 degrees or greater on many many jobs. I live in the flatest area on earth in the bald ase prairies and I have my machines on inclines greater than that all the time. Grinder good only working in a parking lot as long as it doesn`t have to climb over a curb. Sure glad I`m running a Vermeer SC60 in that horsepower range cause I know I would have blown that engine 200 times over.

 

[BC WetCoast]

I just looked at the manuel and sure enough it says not to operate at more than 25 degrees. How can anyone do stumps and not go to 25 degrees or greater on many many jobs. I live in the flatest area on earth in the bald ase prairies and I have my machines on inclines greater than that all the time. Grinder good only working in a parking lot as long as it doesn`t have to climb over a curb. Sure glad I`m running a Vermeer SC60 in that horsepower range cause I know I would have blown that engine 200 times over.

I ran a Vermeer 352 and now a Bandit 2100 and they both have 30 degree limits on them

 

[epicklein22]

You would think that these engines would be equipped with an automatic shut off switch if the oil level/pressure is low......but overall, this is a problem for both Deutz and Carlton. They were not on the same page and put out a faulty product.

We have a rayco at my my summer job with a deutz. It is in the shop now, but I don't know why. Looks like an investigation is in order.

 

[Oly's Stump]

I always thought they were great motors until I watched the video. Are all the Deutz motors in grinders have the same 25-30 degree restriction. I have the Carlton 8018 and the Rayco RG50 Super with duetz motors but luckly have had no problems. I know I went on inclines at or over 30 degrees.

 

[Oly's Stump]

Sure enough I just checked my manuel and there it was (engine not warranty if used over 25 degree angle). I will remember this at my next purchase.

 

[Curbside]

For the Vermeer 352 to have that restriction doesn't make any sense as just the motor movement on the machine at its deepest or highest point is going to be near 25-30 degrees.

 

[pdqdl]

Some years back I measured the slope of the steepest grade that my John Deere 955 4 wheel drive tractor could climb with turf tires on it: 28°

No way would I operate a stump grinder on that hill. Given that most stump grinder engines get rotated downward when grinding, I think that 30° is a pretty reasonable slope for an engine to run on.

I am told that Case backhoes have an oil pump on the front and rear of the engine to prevent that sort of problem.