finally going bulk... ordered a 100ft roll of 3/8 .50 chain, any tips making loops?

[timbrjackrussel]

The REAL story !!!

Originally Posted by THALL1623 & MBaley
We see a few every year. The chain loops are stihl assembled manually at factories and I assume they are also done that way at that factory. If you ever watch how quickly the folks put together chain loops, you would assume it would happen more often. From what I have seen, most loop assembly is done by a fat ugly woman with no hair or teeth mainly because the parts are so small.

Perhaps she puts the tie straps on upside down on purpose !!

 

[Crofter]

ok.. thanks..

does the dot go on outside or inside?

046, I dont have any Oregon tie straps handy. I had the experience of getting 3 different brand stuff all mixed together (someone helped me by organizing my mess) and I found I had to examine the holes to be sure. They are punched, not drilled and that makes a hole that is tapered. A drill that is just slightly larger than the rivet hole will go through about 2/3 of the way from one side but will not enter from the other. Both ways will work but you get a stronger makeup if you take advantage of the taper.

 

[046]

yeoooo... you are right!

hole from one side is slightly bigger than other.
there's enough difference you can tell from looking at tie straps side by side.

I'm assuming larger hole on outside, so when rivet is formed. it will help hold tie strap on. that would make the dot side out.

046, I dont have any Oregon tie straps handy. I had the experience of getting 3 different brand stuff all mixed together (someone helped me by organizing my mess) and I found I had to examine the holes to be sure. They are punched, not drilled and that makes a hole that is tapered. A drill that is just slightly larger than the rivet hole will go through about 2/3 of the way from one side but will not enter from the other. Both ways will work but you get a stronger makeup if you take advantage of the taper.

 

[Crofter]

046, I tried to find the original article on rivet head forming, I think it may have been on industrial roller chain that stressed the taper and heavy initial force to expand the shank into this taper. Here is a partial quote from one of Art Martins posts
"One of the main considerations in chain modification is total weight reduction. The first concern of starting the reducing “diet” is grinding material off all the rivets. Since the rivet hole on the tie straps are counter-sunk, or funnel shaped, removing most of the head will not affect the holding strength of the rivet."

 

[046]

thanks... that settles it. larger hole side on outside.

dot side on oregon tie straps goes outside. notch facing away from cutters.

will ordering a bag of extra tie straps next order. sure wish stihl would allow shipping of stihl chain across state lines.

 

[belgian]

Please explain failure (20 character minimum)

Was in the process of selling this saw. After taking the customer through all the in's and out's I took the saw outside to fire it up. Upon starting the saw it made a terrible clicking noise. Faster you reved it the faster it clicked and the louder it got. Told the customer there is something wrong. I pointed out the noise to him and he didn't seem to hear it like I did. I sit the saw aside and got him another one that was perfect. I explianed to him its Stihl policy the saw be perfect before it leaves with the customer. He was quite happy with that policy. After he left I inspected the bar and chain for right pitch and it was correct. Tried the saw again and the clicking was awful. Called Don about it and he said check it out farther and see what I could find. I took the bar and chain off and fired up the saw again. No clicking. Checked the bar tip, sprocket was right, sprocket on the saw was right. Inspected the chain itself and found the problem. Where it was put together they had installed the tie strap up side down.

It must be that the chain on that saw has not been very tight... When that bad tie strap passed the sprocket teeth, the chain must have been riding on them at that point, hence stretching the chain. You were lucky that the chain was not thrown....

Don't ask me how I know this... I've seen this happen on my Stihl BLK when I installed a new chain link :monkey:

I suggest we find the man at the factory that put this chain together, tie him to a bed and have a fat ugly woman with no hair or teeth have her way with him so he will never mess up another chain again!!!LOL

Now I totally forgot who installed that new chain link :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[retired redneck]

Broken Punch Pins

I Use Baileys Breaker And Spinner Have Made About 100 Chains With It Only Problum Ive Had Is Breaking Breaker Pins If Shop Is Below Freezing Does Not Happen In Warm Shop Is Good Combo

 

[Lakeside53]

will ordering a bag of extra tie straps next order. sure wish stihl would allow shipping of stihl chain across state lines.

Sure doesn't seem hard to buy it mail order! Or.. have a AS member buy it for you and ship it.

 

[THALL10326]

It must be that the chain on that saw has not been very tight... When that bad tie strap passed the sprocket teeth, the chain must have been riding on them at that point, hence stretching the chain. You were lucky that the chain was not thrown....

Don't ask me how I know this... I've seen this happen on my Stihl BLK when I installed a new chain link :monkey:



Now I totally forgot who installed that new chain link :hmm3grin2orange:

Well now am I seeing things, you remembered putting in the link and then forgetting who put in the link, hmmmmmmmmm. You have proved my point, the no hair and no teeth woman will prevent anymore upside down tie straps for sure,LOLOL

Ya know Belgian I got a guy that helps out in the shop sometime and he made his first loop of chain last week. He put it together and handed it to me and asked if it looked ok. I said nope, you got the link and tie strap upside down. He re-did it and handed it to me again, this time the link was right but the strap was upside down. He would had rather dealt with the ugly woman than me. He will never put another tie strap in upside down, I'll lay money on it,LOL

As for the new saw deal I only ran it for a few seconds but your right, had I kept fooling with it the chain probably would have flew off...

(P.S. Your card finally came. Thanks man)

 

[parrisw]

Make sure you never install a tie strap upside down or a fat ugly woman with no teeth or hair will have her way with you............

Now I see old Tommy is going to make every chain wrong just so he can have the above happen to him.

 

[THALL10326]

Now I see old Tommy is going to make every chain wrong just so he can have the above happen to him.

Only if I'm drunk. They all look good then,hahahaha

 

[parrisw]

Only if I'm drunk. They all look good then,hahahaha

HA HA HA yup, got the ol BEER Goggles on EH!!!!!

 

[THALL10326]

HA HA HA yup, got the ol BEER Goggles on EH!!!!!

 

[NBailey]

will ordering a bag of extra tie straps next order. sure wish stihl would allow shipping of stihl chain across state lines.

Any large west coast dealer ships stihl chain (except us)!

 

[Gologit]

Any large west coast dealer ships stihl chain (except us)!

That doesn't sound fair.

 

[Pissfirwillie]

Any large west coast dealer ships stihl chain (except us)!

We order ours from a Washington dealer, gets here in 2 or 3 days! Much cheaper than the local dealer.

 

[redprospector]

I Use Baileys Breaker And Spinner Have Made About 100 Chains With It Only Problum Ive Had Is Breaking Breaker Pins If Shop Is Below Freezing Does Not Happen In Warm Shop Is Good Combo

I use a Bailey's breaker, and all I can tell you is to make sure that the punch is centered over the rivet. The only time my punch has broken is when one of the guy's working for me decides to make a new chain.:monkey:
Haven't broken any since I changed the lock on the shed.
Now that I've said that, I better order some extra's because I'll probably break the two I have tomorrow.

Andy

 

[Vincent]

pliers-type Stihl NG6

Hy bois,
please give me some information about the handhold type of riveting tool. how does it work? Is it only good or perfect?
thanks Vincent

 

[retired redneck]

Hy bois,
please give me some information about the handhold type of riveting tool. how does it work? Is it only good or perfect?
thanks Vincent

I have one they will do the job,they work like a pair of vicgrips verry slow going,i take mine to the woods with me if i break a chain i can fix there.....

 

[tomtrees58]

dont get the breaker and spinner from baileys i have it sucks by it from Oregon tom trees