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What type of friction hitch do you use?

  • Blake's

    Votes: 21 31.8%
  • tautline or variation of tautline

    Votes: 9 13.6%
  • Distel/Swabbish

    Votes: 11 16.7%
  • Valdotian Tresse or variation thereof

    Votes: 21 31.8%
  • some other closed loop, advanced hitch

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • mechanical hitch such as a LockJack or other ascender

    Votes: 4 6.1%

  • Total voters
    66
Guy, I'm hardly an "efficient" climber under the best of circumstances but I promise that switching to a tree cord and distel or V.T has saved time rather than costing it after the first 3-4 climbs. I know what you mean about extreme line setting etc. being time costly but 2 biners and an advanced hitch saves time recrotching, ties almost as fast(for a beginner it would probably be equal but the old knot was so engrained that it was super quick), and makes slack tending or descent a breeze.:angel:
 
Good question. The only time I have ever used a taughtline was for the 3 months that I worked for Asplundh, and the punk kid foreman wouldnt let us use anything else, because the Blakes hitch wasnt in the foremans manual. (go figure) Any who, I like the Blakes because it will not work its way out, and I can attach a micro pulley to mind my knot when I work my way back in off of a lateral leader, or when I need to pull in slack with one hand. I was looking at the Sherrill Cataloge on the way back home today and was wondering if I can use a minder pulley with a Schwabisch, or a Distel hitch? I havent tried it, but it looks like it would work. Also, I have developed a habit of footlocking on my Blakes hitch on asscents if I am hanging out away from the trunk of a tree. Is this considered SRT? My buddy has dubbed it as "Kenn's Funky Footlock"


"There are few problems in life that cant be solved with a suitable application of high explosives"

Kenn
 
Ken, yep, you can put a slack tender with a distel. Some people will slide on one leg of the distel, slide on the pulley, then slide on the other leg of the distel. I've also seen people have the two legs together, but I don't like that as much.

And no, you still got a way to go before that funky footlock is srt. But it is a good way to get up a rope when there are no branches to step on.

love
nick
 
Hey Nick, thanks, I have a Pantin on the way from Sherrill and I may just have to pick up a eye & eye Prusik cord from the Vermeer dealer tomorrow. (Its gonna snow like crazy here in Denver tonight.) I usually use a split tail and Im thinking I can attach the spliced eye of my climb line to my saddle then wrap either the Schwabisch or Distil hitch to the running end of my climb line with a minder pully and use that Pantin to boogie up a hell whole of a lot quicker that the funky foot lock. All these snow days are makin me think and use that grey matter that God put between my ears.

"there are few problems in life that cant be solved with a suitable application of high explosives"

Kenn:blob2:
 
Right on Rocky. My Grandma once told me, "the more you know the less likely you are to starve" I stumbled accross this site a few months ago but finally got around to sighning in and asking questions, instead of just reading the posts. (much to the dismay of my girlfriend.) Oh well, she isnt complayning when I deposit those checks into our bank account. LOL But she did say that I can buy a pair of Wesco climbing boots, and about half of my Sherrill wish list tomorrow. If life is good now, I cant wait untill spring.

"there are few problems in life that cant be solved with a suitable application of high explosives"

Kenn:Monkey:
 
Kenn, Most of the guys on here aren't to hip on Wescos-not because they aren't great quality boots but because they are heavy and less efficient for climbing than other boots unless a person is on gaffs-which is rare for most of us. Footwear is a personal choice but I'd spend most of that $300 bucks on other gear and climb on cheaper hiking boots.:angel:
 
Re: Oh no!

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
Kenn, DON"T buy the WESCOS!

Trust me! ;)


I take that back... If your wading through knee-deep shards of glass... or stomping over Pit Mouth Vipers... or on your Wide Glide making a beer run...

Lace up yur WESCOS!!!

:cool:
 
OK, we went from climbing hitches to climbing boots. Its all good, I may just save the money and get a pair of the Red Dawgs Climbers from Baileys. To be honest with you, I have a titanium rod in my left lower leg from an old bull riding accident, and if im sitting in a pair of spikes for a few hours it is pure torture. Besides, between me, you and the fence post, I think those boots look pretty sharp.
But its all a matter of opinion.


"There are few problems in life that cant be solved with a suitable application of high explosives"

Kenn:blob2:
 
Hey Y'all. I have been climbing in a pair of flimsy engineer boots for the last two years. Dont get me wrong they have been a great pair of work boots, but for me they are just a little to soft and dont have the leg support. I hate getting my foot stuck in a tight crotch, or having to stand there for a few minutes while my toes fall asleep. Plus I have titanium pins in my lower leg and am thinking that the 16" Tops, and the steel shank will help out with the discomfort of standing in a pair of spikes for hours on end when Im doing a big removal. Has any one ever really climbed in the Red Dawgs Climbers? Or the Wesco's for that matter? How about the Danner Highliners? Should I start up a new topic on climbing boots or what? Throw me a fricken bone here!!!!


Kenn
 
Kenn,

Save your $ for good climbing gear, and get a $80-150 pr of hiking boots, gore-tex if desired, with a small heel. Maybe bring your gaffs to the store and a chunk of wood so that you can try out the feel. I now only break out the Wesco's if I'll be standing in gaffs for a long time. My current Merrell's, and previous Asolo, Technica, etc, boots have all been adequate for spur use. And much preferred for gaffless climbing.

Chances are the Red Dawgs are OK. I have climbed in White's, Northwests (out of bus.) and Wesco's. They all work, but the current Merrels feel just fine on the foot and arch.

I've climbed for 30 yrs, 20 on a tautline hitch, 2 on a blakes, and 8 on a Vt. I seldom use the schwabisch/distel as they are simply not as good as a Vt. I've used a split tail and pulley slack tender for 10 years.

Using a Petzl Pantin to ascend DbRT "Doubled Rope Technique" is half as fast with half the effort of SRT or straight footlocking. If footlocking, it is called footlocking the tail. Only problem with this method is the friction at the crotch, if a cambium/friction saver has not been set.
Thus the reasons for using SRT or footlocking for long ascents are to make it easier on yourself and the tree.

Another favorite access method is to use two lines. First set a throw line in a strong crotch. Key here is very strong!
Set a line, tie pulley to an end, run lifeline thriough pulley. Pull line 1 up to crotch, keeping both ends of lifeline in reach. Tie off line 1 at the base of the tree. Now you have a frictionless ascent. I have been pulled, using my own effort also, up 60 feet in a very short time. Ok you regulars, chime in here, are my load calc's right, or are the figures double?

Recently I have done some very tall trees, where I used my 200 foot static line, tied at the base, and climb on ascenders. With no ground help to untie the line, I have worked the tree with the static line tail or a second lifeline, then descended on a figure 8.

Here's Eli nearing the end of a 70 foot footlock. He's using an Ushba (An odd Russian camming device) with Vt backup for his footlock belay.
 
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Carl, you mean 2:1 load at the crotch, not MA. Actually, I think the pulley method applies four times the climber's weight at the crotch, and some more when groundies pull him up.
 
The load is caused by a MA (natural advantage perhaps?). If the groundies are pulling the climber up, then it would be 4:1, if the climber pulls himself up, then it is only 2:1 on the crotch. If they are helping, then it would fall somewhere inbetween.

The climber only puts his weight on the pulley, if he is pulling himself up. 2 legs split the weight, but the total weight on the pulley with just him pullin is his weight.

If the groundies are pulling him up then it is 2x weight on the pulley, and 4xs on the crotch.

This I know.

I also know this puts me in 4 digits!!
 
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1: Tie off for pulley
2: Climbers tail
3: Climber
4: Pulley
5: Crotch

If the climber is pulling on his tail, then the load on the pulley is 1:1 and the crotch is 2:1.

If the groundies pull him up by his tail, then the pulley goes 2:1 and the crotch goes to 4:1.

If it is a combined effort, then it will be between 1:1-2:1 on the pulley, and 2:1-4:1 on the crotch, depending on who is doing the most, the climber or the groundies.
 

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