Fuel Injection

[Lakeside53]

I think 2012 is the next stage of EPA regs, and then it goes to some wierd ideas, like tonage of CO allowed per manufacture, and a bounch of other strange ideas about how we may not even live till then.

The "next stage" is 2007... That why the 372 and 440 are on the way out. The 5100 and 7900 get ditched at some point... 'when" is likely a closedly guarded secret.. but it's sooner than later. Hard to imagine Dolmar having a bank full of epa credits... What did they make in the past few years that exceeded the "then epa requirments"?


I bet the 441 will be retofitted to some scheme before 2012... but at least until then we can enjoy..

I've said it before - Buy all the 440's and 372's you can, and store them...

 

[ShoerFast]

The "next stage" is 2007... That why the 372 and 440 are on the way out. The 5100 and 7900 get ditched at some point... 'when" is likely a closedly guarded secret.. but it's sooner than later. Hard to imagine Dolmar having a bank full of epa credits... What did they make in the past few years that exceeded the "then epa requirments"?


I bet the 441 will be retofitted to some scheme before 2012... but at least until then we can enjoy..

I've said it before - Buy all the 440's and 372's you can, and store them...

I stand corrected, I did not know that the 5100 and 7900 were out this stage of EPA regs, the next stage or the 2012 stage will be far more stringent.

 

[Lakeside53]

I stand corrected, I did not know that the 5100 and 7900 were out this stage of EPA regs, the next stage or the 2012 stage will be far more stringent.

Ha! there isn't much that does pass the 2007 regs!

 

[Marco]

realize you are suppose to be competitive with the rest of the world that gives a rip less about a chainsaw when you are fighting this weezy upcoming junk trying to get the logs to the landing

 

[ShoerFast]

Ha! there isn't much that does pass the 2007 regs!

Then Artic-cat has to go and wreck that, there 4-strocker snowmobill passes the 2012 epa standerds. That will effect the requirments to all manufactures.

Another item "THEY" (Theadore Henery Eugene and YoYo) aka: the EPA wants to control, at some point there going to measure the amount of fuel spilled per fill, and implement some type of controled means of controling that!

Benzine is there consern, hell, it's damp here, I could bring a box of wooden matches , fling one after each spill, and tell them how long my spills burn, would that help?

 

[04ultra]

Then Artic-cat has to go and wreck that, there 4-strocker snowmobill passes the 2012 epa standerds. That will effect the requirments to all manufactures.

Another item "THEY" (Theadore Henery Eugene and YoYo) aka: the EPA wants to control, at some point there going to measure the amount of fuel spilled per fill, and implement some type of controled means of controling that!

Benzine is there consern, hell, it's damp here, I could bring a box of wooden matches , fling one after each spill, and tell them how long my spills burn, would that help?

Still waiting for Yamaha to put the RX1/R1 in a Rhino...Then I might be interested... :hmm3grin2orange:




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[jefeVTtreeman]

i know in rock crawling jeeps they use fuel injection due to carb cut out in steep angles, would fuel injection due anything for saws being used in different angles.

 

[Lakeside53]

saws already work fine upside down... no carb floats

 

[jefeVTtreeman]

my only real problem is o2 sensors, they would add them and then thats the end
they would be so regulated to pass emissions that power ratings would drop. and everyone know prices would not follow. The epa has taken over the american motorcycle companies. start a new harley they sound like scooters. even the after market is being regulated. If i knew saw were really "that" bad for us all then maybe but i need to see proof first.

 

[Bremen]

Another item "THEY" (Theadore Henery Eugene and YoYo) aka: the EPA wants to control, at some point there going to measure the amount of fuel spilled per fill, and implement some type of controled means of controling that!

I don't know if this is true everywhere, but here in NY state and I think a few others, I can't go into a store and buy a regular gas can anymore. They've all got some non-spill non-venting overflow-proof push activated gadget on them instead of a flex hose, and cost $10 each. Every single time I stop to fidget with one an employee or customer will stop and say "them things suck."

 

[Wes]

my only real problem is o2 sensors, they would add them and then thats the end
they would be so regulated to pass emissions that power ratings would drop. and everyone know prices would not follow. The epa has taken over the american motorcycle companies. start a new harley they sound like scooters. even the after market is being regulated. If i knew saw were really "that" bad for us all then maybe but i need to see proof first.

I'll take a well-sorted FI setup anyday over a carb. Well-sorted is the critical part. Take a carbed V8 from a corvette from the early 60s and put it up against the full-tech V8 they've got in there now. No problems starting in hot or cold weather, no adjustments ever, smooth throttle response at all revs, and it will run forever because it nevers gets flooded or leaned out so there's little wear and you aren't washing the cylinder of oil by pouring gas into the motor.

 

[Marco]

would electric saws earn any brownie points for these companies?

People are complaining on another thread that techs can't fix saws now, how are you going to sort this mess out..............and worse yet who is going to be the volunteer to pull the rope while your trying to get a diagnostic reading?

 

[Lakeside53]

would electric saws earn any brownie points for these companies?

People are complaining on another thread that techs can't fix saws now, how are you going to sort this mess out..............and worse yet who is going to be the volunteer to pull the rope while your trying to get a diagnostic reading?

Electic doesn't count. Too easy..

Fixin' - it's real easy - just replace the module and bill the customer! Just like with cars:hmm3grin2orange:

Actually, Stihl has already published a simple flow chart to follow in diagnosing problems. No diagnostic code output... at least not until the feds mandate it..