Help with Snags PLEASE!!

[hammerlogging]

Without pictures, or better yet being there, I should probably keep my moutn shut, but....

just a concept to consider, maybe not right for you, or this double snag situation. But, when I have something like this, sometimes this is where the old directional felling bore cut thing is real handy. If you look at the snags really well, look how they're hooked on the standing tree, figure what will happen when the tree starts falling. And what will happen if it doesn't go according to plan. SO, 1. groom an extremely good escape path. 2. Remove tool belt and axe, check shoelaces. 3. face cut, bore, cut toward the back until you have just enough of a holding strap. Double and triple check your escape route, stand poised to (usane) bolt, nip th strap and GET OUT OF THERE.

Since the snags sound still rooted, a face and back cut with thick hinge might be necessary for them to fall with said tree.

Secretly, these challenges are fun. Sure don't want you, or me, or anyone, to have a mishap this way. Use with discretion. Be safe, and good luck. Forget about it if you're not comfortable with it.

 

[RRSsawshop]

Without pictures, or better yet being there, I should probably keep my moutn shut, but....

just a concept to consider, maybe not right for you, or this double snag situation. But, when I have something like this, sometimes this is where the old directional felling bore cut thing is real handy. If you look at the snags really well, look how they're hooked on the standing tree, figure what will happen when the tree starts falling. And what will happen if it doesn't go according to plan. SO, 1. groom an extremely good escape path. 2. Remove tool belt and axe, check shoelaces. 3. face cut, bore, cut toward the back until you have just enough of a holding strap. Double and triple check your escape route, stand poised to (usane) bolt, nip th strap and GET OUT OF THERE.

Since the snags sound still rooted, a face and back cut with thick hinge might be necessary for them to fall with said tree.

Secretly, these challenges are fun. Sure don't want you, or me, or anyone, to have a mishap this way. Use with discretion. Be safe, and good luck. Forget about it if you're not comfortable with it.

Yes this is all in the plan too!!The snags are still rooted and I am planning to use a face cut on all,the cherry may be loaded on the stump,but it will be the last to go...
If I'm not comfortable with them I wont cut them,but after looking again I know I can!!

 

[dingeryote]

Yes this is all in the plan too!!The snags are still rooted and I am planning to use a face cut on all,the cherry may be loaded on the stump,but it will be the last to go...
If I'm not comfortable with them I wont cut them,but after looking again I know I can!!

If you start cutting on 'em you're nuts.
Vibration can bust things loose wind wont.

Cable, winch, come along attached to a chain or whatever, to gain distance and directional advantage. Snatch blocks also come in handy for when you need to get creative.

Just remember that the supporting(Loaded) tree can throw stuff back at you when things bust loose.. Maples can be like Nolan Ryan!!

I wish ya had pics.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote

 

[tramp bushler]

Ya , if you missed a good blow thats too bad .. Most of the time the wind is wrong , but once in a while it sure comes in handy .... No doubt most of us wish we were there to give you a hand ... Tho some may disagree with several of us explaneing possible ways we would take a bear trap like you have down .... They should first consider that some of us have our experience in forests that sometimes run 50% cull ... with standing snags up to 200 feet tall ..Ground that can,t be run on ,or hardly even walked on .... standing under pusher trees we rock into a leaner to help with wedging it over ... Sliding down a short rock bluff to wedge ourselves between the rock face and the tree we HAVE to fall , and praying to God when it starts to go that it doesn,t stop , because if it does it will pull itself roots , stump and all off its little perch with us attached ...ect. ect. ect... BTDT ... It is amazing how much a guy can learn to figure out and accomplish if he puts his mind and body to the task .......... Hammer was right about taking off all the extra stuff .. If I know I need to run for my life , I take my chaps off , and everything else that can slow me down .......

 

[hammerlogging]

Ya , if you missed a good blow thats too bad .. Most of the time the wind is wrong , but once in a while it sure comes in handy .... No doubt most of us wish we were there to give you a hand ... Tho some may disagree with several of us explaneing possible ways we would take a bear trap like you have down .... They should first consider that some of us have our experience in forests that sometimes run 50% cull ... with standing snags up to 200 feet tall ..Ground that can,t be run on ,or hardly even walked on .... standing under pusher trees we rock into a leaner to help with wedging it over ... Sliding down a short rock bluff to wedge ourselves between the rock face and the tree we HAVE to fall , and praying to God when it starts to go that it doesn,t stop , because if it does it will pull itself roots , stump and all off its little perch with us attached ...ect. ect. ect... BTDT ... It is amazing how much a guy can learn to figure out and accomplish if he puts his mind and body to the task .......... Hammer was right about taking off all the extra stuff .. If I know I need to run for my life , I take my chaps off , and everything else that can slow me down .......

yea, working up a strip and you see as walking in this one and that one hazards you'll have to deal with, snags, etc., and then later in the day theyre you are time to deal with this one or that one. Somebody's got to do it, and its in your strip......

 

[Mike Van]

My opinion, and you probably won't like it, but - If you have to go online and ask for advise on what you see as a very dangerous situation, you shouldn't be doing it. There's no one there but you, you've got the saw in your hands. When people can't even see what it is you're trying to do, how can they give advise that may or may not leave you paralyzed or dead? Every snag situation is a little different than the one before it, no two are exactly alike - What worked on the first may kill you on the second. I don't want to read on the 'accidents & injuries' tab that there's a charity benifit on your families behalf.

 

[Greystoke]

Ya , if you missed a good blow thats too bad .. Most of the time the wind is wrong , but once in a while it sure comes in handy .... No doubt most of us wish we were there to give you a hand ... Tho some may disagree with several of us explaneing possible ways we would take a bear trap like you have down .... They should first consider that some of us have our experience in forests that sometimes run 50% cull ... with standing snags up to 200 feet tall ..Ground that can,t be run on ,or hardly even walked on .... standing under pusher trees we rock into a leaner to help with wedging it over ... Sliding down a short rock bluff to wedge ourselves between the rock face and the tree we HAVE to fall , and praying to God when it starts to go that it doesn,t stop , because if it does it will pull itself roots , stump and all off its little perch with us attached ...ect. ect. ect... BTDT ... It is amazing how much a guy can learn to figure out and accomplish if he puts his mind and body to the task .......... Hammer was right about taking off all the extra stuff .. If I know I need to run for my life , I take my chaps off , and everything else that can slow me down .......

Nice job tramp. That's a dang good description of how dangerous falling timber in Alaska can be.

 

[Curlycherry1]

I used to pull down snags with a come-a-long before I got my winch. Cutting is way too dangerous and I had some darn close calls taking snags down with a chainsaw.

With a come-a-long you can work them nice and slow and listen to what is happening and get the heck out of the way when the time comes.

 

[RRSsawshop]

Well the wind calmed down today so I went back to the snags looked over the situation 1 more time to finalize my plan. Then I fired up my 372 and started on the maples they went easy no problem...Now the birch/cherry combo was a different story,I set the birch,loaded with wedge,notched the cherry and started my back cut,I started to see the tops on both trees moving when I felt something moving under my feet!!! I got the h### out of there!!!! They are on the ground to say the least,the creek bank gave out,rolled up the root ball!!!
I had a feeling this could happen and I had an escape plan.I took my time with the problem (snags) looked over the situation more than once,asked questions,and learned...
To all you guys YOUR ALL GREAT!!!!! THANKS FOR THE INPUT BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE!!!!

 

[2dogs]

Well the wind calmed down today so I went back to the snags looked over the situation 1 more time to finalize my plan. Then I fired up my 372 and started on the maples they went easy no problem...Now the birch/cherry combo was a different story,I set the birch,loaded with wedge,notched the cherry and started my back cut,I started to see the tops on both trees moving when I felt something moving under my feet!!! I got the h### out of there!!!! They are on the ground to say the least,the creek bank gave out,rolled up the root ball!!!
I had a feeling this could happen and I had an escape plan.I took my time with the problem (snags) looked over the situation more than once,asked questions,and learned...
To all you guys YOUR ALL GREAT!!!!! THANKS FOR THE INPUT BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE!!!!

Glad you're still in one piece!

 

[RRSsawshop]

Glad you're still in one piece!

Well some times you got to do what needs to be done.:chainsawguy:
I took as many precautions as I could and asked questions "not because I didnt know how to do it" but just to see if anybody would do it differently.
I knew the roots on the cherry were washed out by the creek,now i know what it feels like to have a root ball come up.
Again thanks to all for the help..